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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 9 May 2025
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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Yes, we could also do that. We will keep the petition open and seek to find out what progress is being made on the effective community engagement proposals that have been promised.

Members indicated agreement.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Are members content to do that?

Members indicated agreement.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Thank you. David Torrance will lead on the second theme, which is the drivers for designating more national parks and alternative approaches.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Marie McNair will ask questions on our third theme, which is the NatureScot reporter process, including local engagement.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Jackson Carlaw

That brings us to agenda item 3, which is consideration of new petitions.

I will start, as I always do before turning to the individual petitions, by saying that the committee invites our independent research body, the Scottish Parliament information centre, to contribute thoughts on the content of each new petition. We also seek a preliminary response from the Scottish Government. We do so because, historically, those were the first two things that we spent a meeting agreeing to do, and this process allows us to expedite our consideration of the petition.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Jackson Carlaw

One theme of the petition is the instruction of an independent review. The Scottish Government was unenthusiastic, but there was a general feeling in the committee that, after 20 years, it would not seem unreasonable to have an independent review. Some of the witnesses from whom we heard last week addressed the issue of a consultation process on two fronts. First, NatureScot has a vested interest in the outcome of the consultation, so it is therefore not truly independent in its analysis of what emerges.

Secondly, regarding the consultation itself, although people will come forward and contribute, it will elicit only the information that comes from those people who choose to participate in it, which is not necessarily always the complete picture. The merits of an independent review would be that somebody would be charged with proactively going out and asking questions, whether or not the issues that they asked about had been volunteered by a body of people, an individual or whoever, as a consequence of a consultation.

I am interested to know your perspective on the petition’s ask that a review be held that would look at aspects such as farming, forestry, crofting and angling, which would give Parliament and the wider public a holistic view of the success of the development of national parks and enable them to see to what extent the existing national parks have evolved from the original conception. What is your view on that aspect of the petition?

10:15  

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Jackson Carlaw

In that case, I suspend the meeting to allow the witnesses and others leave.

10:22 Meeting suspended.  

10:24 On resuming—  

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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Mr Lumsden, this is your debut at the committee. We are pleased to have you here and keen to hear any contribution you might wish to put before the committee as we consider the petition.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Is he only nine? He must be older than that.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Mr Torrance has proposed that there are grounds to close the petition. I think that we can do nothing more, given the Scottish Government’s response. However, in closing the petition, I suggest that the committee write to SEPA, drawing its attention to the petitioner’s view about the situation at Hawes pier and the fact that it would appear that its conditions for authorisation have been breached. It would be for SEPA to respond to that, and to the petitioner’s contention in relation to the manual application of the authorised chemical leading to spillages over the pier edge into the river and in unpermitted weather conditions. Although I do not think that we can take things forward, given the Government’s response, we can draw attention to that point quite directly on behalf of the committee.

Can you clarify your point, Mr Choudhury? What would you like us to write to the City of Edinburgh Council to establish?