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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 6 May 2025
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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Jackson Carlaw

Thank you, Mr Kerr. This petition has impressed its importance on the committee and it is one with which we have engaged, hence the journey that led us to hearing from the two panels of witnesses at our last meeting.

Would any colleagues who were present at that meeting like to offer reflections on the evidence that we heard, on Mr Kerr’s contribution and on how we might now proceed?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Jackson Carlaw

When I invited you to do that, I did not realise that it would sound like “University Challenge”. I should now say that that was your starter for 10. [Laughter.] Thank you all very much, and welcome.

If you are content, we will move straight to questions. I invite you to decide, minister, when you would like members of your team to contribute—that will be the easiest way forward.

As a general opening comment, I note that the committee has not fully understood why the Scottish Government thinks that no new legislation is required to deal with the problem that has been raised in the petition, given everything that we have heard from the petitioner about the difficulties of navigating the current arrangements.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Jackson Carlaw

Thank you. Is it Mr Leeton?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Jackson Carlaw

Will the advice that is being worked on be a pamphlet or an online directional guide? How would people know that that advice is available and find a route to access it?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 22 January 2025

Jackson Carlaw

I very much agree because, given that some pools are now under active threat of closure, the baby could go out with the bath water, if that is not the wrong metaphor. We could lose a resource and it will be far harder to do anything about that if it is gone than to maintain and preserve the resource that is currently there.

Do any other members have comments?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 22 January 2025

Jackson Carlaw

We want to be informed about those matters, but I am unsure whether we would take the view that that is a national issue.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 22 January 2025

Jackson Carlaw

Indeed. Are we content?

Members indicated agreement.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 22 January 2025

Jackson Carlaw

PE2089 was lodged by Deborah Carmichael on behalf of the Lochaber National Park—NO More group, which, as colleagues will remember, calls on the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to suspend any action to create more national parks in Scotland; to instruct an independent review of the operation of the current national parks, including an assessment of the economic impacts on businesses and industries within the two parks, including, but not exclusive to, farming, forestry, crofting and angling; and to conduct a consultation with representatives of rural businesses and community councils in order to help to frame the remit of the said independent review.

The committee considered the petition quite recently, on 27 November. To date, the committee has heard evidence from two panels of witnesses—NatureScot and the Cabinet Secretary for Rural Affairs, Land Reform and Islands. We have also received correspondence from our colleague Finlay Carson MSP, reiterating his support for the petition. We are now in a position to reflect on the evidence that we have heard and to consider our next steps. Have colleagues given any thought to suggestions for how we might proceed?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 22 January 2025

Jackson Carlaw

I would be interested to get an insight into Glasgow City Council’s thinking on the issue. An apology was offered, but it came out, rather than being delivered in a structured way. I would be interested to know the timeline for its consideration of these matters.

As members have no other suggestions, are we content to keep the petition open? We are still minded to seek a debate on the petition, which would probably take place later in the year. We want to clarify some of the other issues so that we can frame a motion as directly as possible when we take it to the chamber.

Members indicated agreement.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 22 January 2025

Jackson Carlaw

The three areas that Mr Ewing identified prior to his suggestion to draw the cabinet secretary’s attention to the vote in favour of a local referendum by Dumfries and Galloway Council were all apparent to her but were heavily reinforced by the majority of people from whom the committee has been fortunate enough to hear. I recall the cabinet secretary saying specifically in her evidence that she had not come to any final decision and that, in her mind, there was no presumption as to where the evidence that was being gathered might lead. When we write to the cabinet secretary, we should say that we appreciated that point and should draw her attention to the significant representations that we have received, as well as Mr Ewing’s point about the council’s view that there should be a more widespread consultation via a referendum on whether the proposal should proceed. Are members content with that?

Members indicated agreement.