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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Jackson Carlaw

Welcome back. Item 4 is consideration of continued petitions. We will cover two petitions together, which focus on planning proposals and decisions on wind farm developments.

The first is PE1864, which was lodged by Aileen Jackson on behalf of Scotland Against Spin. The petition calls on the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to increase the ability of communities to influence planning decisions for onshore wind farms by adopting English planning legislation for the determination of onshore wind farm developments, to empower local authorities to ensure that local communities are given sufficient professional help to engage in the planning process, and to appoint an independent advocate to ensure that local participants are not

“bullied and intimidated during public inquiries”.

We last considered the petition on 2 February, when we agreed to write to the Local Government Association. Unfortunately, the LGA has not been able to respond to us ahead of today’s meeting.

We have coupled that petition with PE1885, which was lodged by Karen Murphy and calls on the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to make offering community shared ownership a mandatory requirement of all wind farm development planning proposals.

Our last consideration of PE1885 also took place on 2 February, when it was agreed that we would invite the relevant minister to join us this morning to give evidence on both petitions. Therefore, I am delighted to welcome Tom Arthur, Minister for Public Finance, Planning and Community Wealth; Andy Kinnaird, head of transforming planning, Scottish Government; and Neal Rafferty, senior adviser on the heat in buildings strategy, Scottish Government. Good morning to all three of you. The minister has made a hot dash across the Parliament campus from another committee in order to join us. We very much appreciate that effort; the timings have all worked out very nicely.

We also welcome back our MSP colleague Brian Whittle, who has a particular interest in the latter petition. I will turn to Brian once the committee members have had the opportunity to put their questions to our guests. He will be well used to the format and protocols of our procedures.

Members have a number of questions that they would like to explore this morning, so we will go straight to those. Some of it is familiar territory, so we are trying to focus the questions on the issues that are specifically raised in the petition.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Participatory and Deliberative Democracy

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Jackson Carlaw

That is now in the Official Report; I am sure that we will all take great pleasure in quoting that back to you.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Jackson Carlaw

Colleagues, are you all of that view?

Members indicated agreement.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Jackson Carlaw

That was a technical question and a technical answer in relation to our understanding of things.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Jackson Carlaw

Have you been able to evaluate whether, when a public event is virtual as opposed to physical, that affects the developers’ ability to influence the conduct of the public engagement? I am genuinely interested to know whether it has affected the balance and added a different dynamic which is pro or anti one particular aspect of the outcome that might be arrived at.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Jackson Carlaw

So there has not been any research as yet as to what that balance might be.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Participatory and Deliberative Democracy

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Jackson Carlaw

Good morning. I welcome everyone to the 11th meeting in 2022 of the Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee.

Our first agenda item is an evidence session with the Scottish Government on its response to “Report of the Institutionalising Participatory and Deliberative Democracy Working Group”. Members will recall that the working group’s report sets out a range of recommendations on

“how the Scottish Government’s ambition for transformative change can be delivered to make Scotland's democracy more participative and inclusive”.

We last considered the issue at our meeting on 20 April, when we took evidence from the working group itself, which was very interesting.

I am delighted to welcome to the committee George Adam, the Minister for Parliamentary Business. He is accompanied from the Scottish Government by Doreen Grove, who is the head of open government, and Gerald Byrne, who is team leader in constitutional policy. Good morning to you.

I understand that the minister would like to say a few words by way of opening, before we pursue our questioning and see where we get to.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Jackson Carlaw

I close this morning’s meeting. We will meet again on 29 June, which is the last Wednesday of the parliamentary session.

Meeting closed at 11:53.  

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Jackson Carlaw

I am not keen on being second best.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Participatory and Deliberative Democracy

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Jackson Carlaw

Since members have no final thoughts or additional questions, I thank the minister and officials. We very much appreciate your contribution to the key committee that is considering these issues this morning.

10:50 Meeting suspended.  

10:52 On resuming—