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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee
Meeting date: 17 May 2023
Jackson Carlaw
Please do.
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee
Meeting date: 17 May 2023
Jackson Carlaw
Thank you. Like you, I hope that our guests in the public gallery who are directly concerned with the issues have appreciated the evidence session that we have held this morning, which will certainly help to inform the committee. It seemed that, in a number of areas, there is clear opportunity for progress; in others, it might be more complicated.
In summation, colleagues, we will clearly want to further reflect on the evidence at a future meeting. We might anticipate that, following that consideration, we would then want to have the opportunity to put questions to the minister in relation to some of the issues that have been raised. Do members agree that we should seek to secure a session with the minister, and that, before then, we should have the opportunity to reflect further on the evidence that we have heard?
Members indicated agreement.
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee
Meeting date: 17 May 2023
Jackson Carlaw
Thank you, Ms Baillie. Indeed, you pointed out to us on a previous occasion that we have a reputation for liking to get out and about from Holyrood and, in our response, we said that we might even manage to come and visit at some point. It is a little early to admonish us for not having managed to do that already. However, the recommendation about the STAG report is significant. Do members want to comment or make any recommendations on that?
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee
Meeting date: 17 May 2023
Jackson Carlaw
Thank you. Are we agreed?
Members indicated agreement.
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee
Meeting date: 17 May 2023
Jackson Carlaw
I am happy with that. Are colleagues content to proceed on that basis?
Members indicated agreement.
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee
Meeting date: 17 May 2023
Jackson Carlaw
I think that the evidence that we received talked about an expectation that the Scottish Government would conduct such a review. As much as anything, we need to establish that such a review is in prospect.
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee
Meeting date: 17 May 2023
Jackson Carlaw
That will give us further information, and we will consider the petition again in due course. Thank you, Mr Marra, for joining us for your first appearance at the Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee.
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee
Meeting date: 17 May 2023
Jackson Carlaw
We are agreed. We can all see the substance of the issue at hand, but I am struck by the Scottish Government’s suggestion that local authorities look at innovative ways to reduce allotment waiting lists. I am struggling to think of what an innovative way of dealing with an allotment waiting list would be but, notwithstanding my puzzlement with that concept, I am afraid that I am reluctantly of the same view.
The very clear advice from the Scottish Government is that the matter is for local authorities to deal with and, as SPICe points out, the petition seeks to give an entitlement to several hundreds of thousands of people, which is impractical.
I think that we are agreed that although we understand the substance of the issue, we will close the petition under rule 15.7 of standing orders. Is that the view of the committee?
Members indicated agreement.
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee
Meeting date: 17 May 2023
Jackson Carlaw
From what you have both said, it sounds as though there was a driving necessity to bring about a change in the arrangements that were in place. Every bit as much as clinicians and others thought that it was the right way forward, it sounds as though the previous arrangements were potentially dangerously unstable in terms of being able to provide a service.
On that basis, I am interested to know whether, to your knowledge, in the interim since 2016, the practice that you have evolved has been rolled out to other parts of the United Kingdom outside Scotland. In so far as you were able to establish a service, will you tell us what the main challenges were in trying to bring about what you have achieved, as a general introduction to the questions that will then follow? I do not know who will volunteer to speak.
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee
Meeting date: 17 May 2023
Jackson Carlaw
That is very helpful. Thank you.