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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 21 March 2026
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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

A9 Dualling Project

Meeting date: 24 January 2024

Jackson Carlaw

I ask because this is a theme to which I might return with other witnesses. In the 2007 to 2011 session of Parliament, I was the convener of a hybrid committee that was established to work on the Queensferry crossing. It was responsible for identifying the route and the design of the project. The committee then offered to Government, with the support of Parliament, a project that was agreed in terms of what it was going to deliver. That then had to be taken forward by the Government to ensure that the project was completed.

I talked about a lack of direction. Do you feel that there was clarity around what the A9 project would encompass at all points, or that there was vagueness about how different sections would be progressed—as it seemed to me in some of the documents that I was reading—that would have allowed things to drift slightly?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

A9 Dualling Project

Meeting date: 24 January 2024

Jackson Carlaw

I have read into some of the narrative of your response to my question that it seems that an atmosphere such as you spoke of has not been widely apparent in conduct in the progress of the project to date.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

A9 Dualling Project

Meeting date: 24 January 2024

Jackson Carlaw

I will turn first to the current holders of office in that respect. Alison Irvine, perhaps between you and Rob Galbraith, you could respond to Mr Ewing.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

A9 Dualling Project

Meeting date: 24 January 2024

Jackson Carlaw

That is slightly better. We will do our best to cope.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

A9 Dualling Project

Meeting date: 24 January 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Right. Okay. That is quite interesting, in terms of where we might end up.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

A9 Dualling Project

Meeting date: 24 January 2024

Jackson Carlaw

I referred earlier to the Queensferry crossing project, for which I was the convener of a hybrid bill committee. The internationally renowned engineer David Climie was employed—understandably, on a significant salary—to manage that project all the way through. Given the complexity and the timeline associated with the A9 project, was thought ever given to whether an overall figure should be appointed to manage it? Would it have helped to have had a parliamentary committee that worked with Transport Scotland, as we did successfully on the Queensferry project, to try to navigate the different processes that might have been political obstacles along the way?

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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

A9 Dualling Project

Meeting date: 24 January 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Is that question for Alison Irvine, in the first instance?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

A9 Dualling Project

Meeting date: 24 January 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Using the technology has been quite complicated, and I am very grateful to you all. We have run on quite a bit after the time that we had anticipated, and there are lots of other things that we would have been very happy to discuss, but I thought that I would give you the opportunity, Alison—perhaps through your colleagues—to volunteer anything further for the record at this point.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

A9 Dualling Project

Meeting date: 24 January 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Is that in relation to events around 2018?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

A9 Dualling Project

Meeting date: 24 January 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Right. You will appreciate that there is a sense about what was happening at that point. Many people have been keen to identify why there was a very clear track or line towards delivery of a project by 2025 and to ascertain at what point that started to become less clear, or murky. To me, coming to the matter only as someone who uses the A9 from time to time, and looking at the papers, it struck me that a drift seemed to materialise around 2018 or 2019, and it was not communicated to the public or the wider world, who still thought that 2025 was the project delivery date and that all was in hand. It looks to me that, at that point, there was serious reservation and doubt about it all internally. I was not clear as to whether that was emerging from the ground up or from the top down.