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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Thank you very much. I will ask an introductory question of both witnesses, and then invite colleagues to come in.

We may come back to touch on the memorial that you referred to at the end of what you said, but how has the delay that has taken place impacted personally on you, and what is your view of the interaction that Transport Scotland has had with communities and the way that that has evolved during the process?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Okay—we will keep the petition open on that basis.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Will Transport Scotland reflect on that, given the petitioner’s evidence this morning, and give us a flavour of what it thinks might be possible for us to consider further at another date? I would be very grateful for that.

Are there any other questions from colleagues?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Rest assured.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Jackson Carlaw

I suspend the meeting briefly, thanking again our colleagues who have joined us this morning, and those from Transport Scotland. It is very much appreciated.

12:08 Meeting suspended.  

12:10 On resuming—  

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Jackson Carlaw

In the responses that we have received, there is a general acceptance of the desire for more community representation and involvement on the boards, and the minister has talked about providing information on the efforts that have been made to solicit applications for such representation. Against the background of those assurances and that suggestion, what is your impression of the public perception of the lack of any momentum to realise such an ambition?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Jackson Carlaw

We will keep the petition open. If the petitioners are watching us today, I say to them that they will be invited to address the committee after the summer recess. It can be decided in due course whether they want to do so online or to come here. Thank you, Dr Allan.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Jackson Carlaw

PE1865 was lodged by Roseanna Clerkin and Lauren McDougall, from whom we have heard previously. This long-standing petition calls on the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to suspend the use of all surgical mesh and fixation devices while a review of all surgical procedures that use polyester, polypropylene or titanium is carried out, and guidelines for surgical use of mesh are established.

We are joined, once again, by our parliamentary colleagues, Jackie Baillie and Katy Clark, both of whom have followed the petition with interest as we have debated it. We last discussed the petition some time ago, on 28 September 2022, when we agreed to write to the Scottish Government and seek a parliamentary debate on the issues raised. Members will remember that debate on 17 January 2023, as they probably all participated in it.

Ahead of that debate, we also received a response from the then Minister for Public Health, Women’s Health and Sport, which highlighted the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency’s

“proposals ... to increase the classification of surgical mesh implants”.

The minister’s response also states that

“the Scottish Government is taking forward improvements in the recording of procedures and implanted devices”

and that the Scottish Association of Medical Directors has been asked

“to report on the availability of non-mesh surgery in individual Health Board areas”.

We have also received another submission from the petitioners, which offers their reflections on the evidence that the committee has gathered to date and the debate that took place in January. They have also highlighted the difficulties that patients continue to face in making an informed choice about their treatment and where to seek support when experiencing complications resulting from surgical mesh.

I have also received representations in that regard, including on the question whether a urologist should have been part of the national centre for chronic pain and mesh services in Greater Glasgow and Clyde health board, as well as from individuals who are still experiencing difficulty in taking advantage of the opportunity to have mesh removed by a surgeon of their choice at a location of their choice.

This might be a slight characterisation, but, as with the previous petition, although there has been a lot of good will and concrete action along the way, there are still clear deficiencies in the actual outcome of all that work.

Would Jackie Baillie and Katy Clark like to say a few words to the committee? I normally go alphabetically, but I saw Jackie Baillie defer to Katy Clark, so I invite her to speak first.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Thank you. I call Jackie Baillie.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Two questions follow from that. First, how is a post mortem determined as being essential? Secondly, by what means are the views of the relatives of the deceased taken into account? What is the process for establishing and assessing their preferred wishes?