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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee
Meeting date: 30 October 2024
Jackson Carlaw
The NFUS and NatureScot have commented on the impacts in relation to things such as housing, water and transport infrastructure. However, we get conflicting views—NatureScot is obviously taking a slightly different perspective. Is that a consequence of NatureScot’s being an advocating proponent of the parks and looking to find what it wants to find? Why do those different views exist?
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee
Meeting date: 30 October 2024
Jackson Carlaw
That brings us to the call for an independent review. I assume that among all of you here this morning there is a sense that an investigation or consultation led by NatureScot would already be compromised in the minds of the groups that you represent, because it would appear that NatureScot is there to act as a proponent for the parks and not necessarily to question whether the evidence supports the development of further parks. Is that correct?
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee
Meeting date: 30 October 2024
Jackson Carlaw
We move to PE1988, which was lodged by Sue Wallis. The petition calls on the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to review the process for allowing raw sewage discharge from homes into Scottish coastal waters, to provide additional funding to the Scottish Environment Protection Agency for enforcement, and to introduce legislation to ban households from discharging raw sewage.
We last considered the petition in December 2023, when we agreed to write to the Scottish Government. Its response to the committee reiterates SEPA’s approach to regulation. The submission highlights two consultations, the first of which relates to proposals for an integrated environmental authorisation framework. The second consultation sought views on the regulation of private wastewater treatment systems to protect the environment.
The petitioner’s written submission states that the response from the Scottish Government provides a circular argument and does not provide more insight on regulation, as requested by the committee. She notes SEPA’s requirement to contribute to improving the health and wellbeing of people in Scotland and argues that the responses to the petition from both SEPA and the Scottish Government have not addressed that point. The petitioner states that all responses and strategies have focused entirely on environmental issues, to the exclusion of other linked duties.
Do members have any comments or suggestions for action?
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee
Meeting date: 30 October 2024
Jackson Carlaw
Mr Torrance has made a couple of suggestions. Do we agree to keep the petition open and to pursue the suggested course of action?
Members indicated agreement.
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee
Meeting date: 30 October 2024
Jackson Carlaw
Please be brief.
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee
Meeting date: 30 October 2024
Jackson Carlaw
There is a moral there in many different ways.
Mr Carson, you have been listening patiently to the evidence. Before I draw this witness panel’s consideration to an end, I wonder whether you would like to say anything.
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee
Meeting date: 30 October 2024
Jackson Carlaw
We will move on to our fourth theme, which is forthcoming legislation on national parks and a potential national parks statement, including the implications of pursuing reform and designation on a twin track.
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee
Meeting date: 30 October 2024
Jackson Carlaw
Mhairi Dawson, the NFUS has said that
“existing national parks have failed to make a positive contribution to farming and crofting.”
What made you draw that conclusion?
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee
Meeting date: 30 October 2024
Jackson Carlaw
Okay. What you conclude from that is that you feel that the evidence base is subjective rather than objective and that, for want of a better description, NatureScot is cherry picking in where it is looking to find its evidence, rather than drawing that evidence out from the broadest possible base.
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee
Meeting date: 30 October 2024
Jackson Carlaw
Mhairi Dawson, I will follow up on one of your responses to David Torrance, when you got almost quite emotional and passionate about the division that the issue has created. Will you illustrate how that has manifested?