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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 12 June 2024

Jackson Carlaw

That is correct. In that case, are you moving, under rule 15.7 of standing orders, that we close the petition?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 12 June 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Thank you. Are colleagues content to support Mr Torrance’s suggestion?

Members indicated agreement.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 12 June 2024

Jackson Carlaw

One of the criteria that you identified was the issue of parental consent. In the absence of anything to demonstrate that there was parental consent—and in her report, Dr Fossey demonstrates that there does not appear to be—there is no evidence that parental consent was given. How do you determine that parental consent was given, in order not to apply the criterion of parental consent as being a legitimate reason for consideration?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 12 June 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Yes, I think that we probably can. In closing the petition, we will tell the minister that the committee expects everything to be on schedule, and that that is the basis on which we have chosen to close the petition.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 12 June 2024

Jackson Carlaw

That brings us to item 3 on the agenda, which is consideration of new petitions. Just for the record, because there may be people who are joining us here or are watching online to hear their petition considered for the first time, I will explain that, ahead of the committee’s first consideration of a petition, we take two initial actions: we ask the Scottish Government for an initial view and we invite the Scottish Parliament’s independent research body, the Scottish Parliament information centre, to comment on the aims of the petition.

You may ask why we do that. We do that because, previously, those were the two things that we would agree to do the first time we discussed the petition, and it simply delayed the petition’s progress. We consider a petition with members having received early indications from the Scottish Government and the Parliament’s independent research body.

As I have said previously, SPICe does tremendous work on behalf of the committee, given the enormously broad range of petitions that we hear.

Petition PE2083 is on reviewing the rules to ensure that no dog becomes more dangerous as a result of breed-specific regulations. The petition has been lodged by Katrina Gordon, and it calls on the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to review the Dangerous Dogs (Designated Types) (Scotland) Order 2024 and ensure that breed-specific regulations do not restrict responsible dog owners from undertaking exercise and training routines that support the dog’s welfare and reduce the risk of their dog becoming dangerous.

The petitioner tells us that an XL bully dog requires two hours of outdoor exercise a day, including being able to run off its lead, in order for the dog to be well adjusted and remain under its owner’s control. It is the petitioner’s view that recently introduced rules requiring XL bully dogs to be on a lead and muzzled while in public spaces risks making those dogs more dangerous.

The SPICe briefing draws our attention to the Minister for Agriculture and Connectivity’s announcement during the stage 1 debate on the Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill, of the Government’s intention to hold a responsible dog ownership and control summit later this month. The briefing also notes that one of the criticisms of the new restrictions is that they do nothing to address the issue of dog attacks that take place in private spaces—a point that Christine Grahame MSP raised during the Criminal Justice Committee’s consideration of the Dangerous Dogs (Designated Types) (Scotland) Order 2024 and the motion to annul the order.

The Scottish Government’s response to the petition states that it

“understands the concerns expressed by dog owners about the impact that the new controls may have on their dogs.”

It goes on to say:

“There is however a balance to be struck between protecting animal welfare and protecting public safety.”

It is the Government’s view that allowing an owner

“to exercise their dog in a public place while off lead and without a muzzle would be counterproductive to the aim”

of the regulations

“and would create too great a risk to the public.”

We have also received two further submissions from the petitioner, sharing her own experience and wider research on the negative impacts that the restrictions have on the welfare of dogs and, indeed, their owners, potentially making the dogs more dangerous. She notes again that the rules may have the unintended consequence of increasing the number of dog attacks in people’s homes and gardens. The petitioner has repeated her call for the rules to be repealed.

Obviously, this is an issue that is very much in the public eye. It is also an issue around which there is some court action, which means that we are unable to discuss any specific individual cases. However, are there any suggestions about how we might proceed?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 12 June 2024

Jackson Carlaw

I draw members’ attention to the fact that we have been provided with a late submission from Universities Scotland, in which it confirms that it is taking forward that work. Therefore, we have a clear steer that the aims of the petition are probably now being realised through the action that is being taken. I forgot that we had that submission. Does that satisfy your requirement, Mr Choudhury?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 12 June 2024

Jackson Carlaw

I thank Monica Lennon for her contribution to the aims of the petition. You gave a heartfelt tribute on behalf of your constituent, who is the petitioner. You are quite right that over the years, the committee has been fortunate in the number of courageous people who have come forward to lodge a petition on the back of their experience. The committee has been able to give additional voice to the aims of those petitions, profile them and take them forward. Of the long list, you alluded to Elaine Holmes and Olive McIlroy on transvaginal mesh, but we should also acknowledge Amanda Kopel, who was successful in lobbying for changes to legislation in support of those who are diagnosed early with dementia, and our former colleague Elaine Smith, who was proactive on issues relating to women’s health and took those issues forward with the committee.

The petitioner is in the excellent company of women who have been at the forefront of ensuring that we are able to advance issues that have resulted in a material change in the way that the Scottish Government and Scottish public life approaches them. In light of that, we should write to the United Kingdom National Screening Committee to seek an update on its work to gather further evidence on the benefits of HPV self-sampling, including work to assess and validate a test for HPV self-sampling in the UK. Are there any other suggestions from colleagues?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 12 June 2024

Jackson Carlaw

PE1902, which has been lodged by Maria Aitken on behalf of the Caithness Health Action Team, calls on the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to allow an appeal process for community participation requests under the Community Empowerment (Scotland) Act 2015. We last considered the petition at our meeting on 4 October 2023, although it is very vivid in my mind.

Although we would not ordinarily intervene in an individual case that prompted a petition, our parliamentary colleague Edward Mountain suggested that we pursue the issue directly. We have now received a response from NHS Highland, which is available in the meeting papers. In the light of that response, do members have any comments or suggestions for action?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 12 June 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Okay. At this point, I welcome Fergus Ewing, who has joined us. I explained earlier why you would be a little bit late to join us. It is good to see you now.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 12 June 2024

Jackson Carlaw

No—that is fine.