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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 6 December 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Thank you. As there are no other comments, suggestions or variations of view, do member wish to pursue the proposal from Mr Torrance?

Members indicated agreement.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 6 December 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Are members content for us to do so?

Members indicated agreement.

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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 6 December 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Our next petition is PE2000. I do not know whether that is statistically significant—two thousand what, I am not entirely sure. It was lodged by Dr Marie Oldfield and calls on the Scottish Government to ensure that universities are held accountable to students under consumer protection law by extending the remit of the Scottish Public Services Ombudsman or creating a new body that is similar to the Office of the Independent Adjudicator for Higher Education, which could enable students to access redress without the need for court action.

We previously considered the petition on 19 April, at which point we agreed to seek the views of Universities Scotland and the National Union of Students Scotland. Universities Scotland has responded, stating its view that

“the SPSO offers an effective route for complaints-handling”

where cases have not been resolved at an institution level, and that it sees

“no basis for an expanded remit or new body”

to be established.

The response also notes new guidance from the Competition and Markets Authority, published earlier this year, which provides advice on how consumer protection law applies to the UK higher education sector and what enforcement action is available when higher education providers do not comply with the law.

The response also refers to the Digital Markets, Competition and Consumers Bill that is currently being considered by the UK Parliament and is expected to significantly strengthen the Competition and Markets Authority’s enforcement powers.

NUS Scotland’s response states the organisation’s support for

“a review into the complaints processes for higher education institutions”,

and notes its view that

“extending the remit of the Scottish Public Services Ombudsman”

would be an

“effective way of”

empowering students to hold universities to account, although we note that the SPSO has no wish to take on that remit.

We also received a response from the petitioner expressing concerns about the SPSO’s remit and approach to complaints handling, and the impact on students of navigating complaints processes and having to seek redress through civil courts.

From NUS Scotland and from the petitioner, there is a desire to go further, but from the SPSO and Universities Scotland, there is less of a desire to do so. Do colleagues have any comments or observations in view of the responses that have been received???

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 6 December 2023

Jackson Carlaw

That latter point in particular, on which the Scottish Government has given a clear direction, means that there is limited scope for the committee to advance the aims of the petition. Do colleagues therefore support Mr Torrance’s recommendations?

Members indicated agreement.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 6 December 2023

Jackson Carlaw

I am quite happy for you to speak.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 6 December 2023

Jackson Carlaw

I understand how difficult that is, and the timing of when anything takes place is always a factor in such matters. Unfortunately, we are not immune when we are in this building in the way that members might be at Westminster.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 6 December 2023

Jackson Carlaw

We have to be careful about the discussion of cases that are actively alive in court procedures at the moment, as is the one to which you are referring. I would be grateful if you perhaps did not refer specifically to something that is sub judice.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 6 December 2023

Jackson Carlaw

I invite my colleague Fergus Ewing to lead the questioning.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 6 December 2023

Jackson Carlaw

PE2043, which has been lodged by Philipa Jackson, is on changing the way in which gender theory is presented in schools. As you will recall, we considered a similar—though not exactly the same—petition just a moment ago. The petition has been lodged to urge the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to redefine the relationship, sexual health and parenthood—or RSHP—lessons pertaining to transgender and not present the information as fact.

The SPICe briefing note that has been prepared states that Scotland does not have a statutory curriculum, as we know. It also notes that the Scottish Government was consulting on draft statutory guidance on the delivery of relationship, sexual health and parenthood education to replace the guidance currently in place.

The Scottish Government’s response states that it has accepted the recommendations made by the LGBTI inclusive education working group. Of the teaching resources available for RSHP, one resource contains a lesson on being transgender and is intended for primary 5 to primary 7. The resource asks young people to think about what transgender means and aims to challenge the stereotypes and prejudices that can lead to transphobic bullying. The response also notes that the content of the RSHP resource was informed by more than 1,000 primary and secondary teachers and was piloted in 38 schools.

The petitioner’s written submission expresses the view that children are being taught an ideology that she is deeply concerned about, as she finds the current teaching to be age inappropriate and extremely graphic. She believes that some of the people involved in creating the RSHP resource are very biased, and she states that adults should not be coercing children to think that they can be the opposite sex.

Those are the comments that we have received from SPICe and the petitioner. Do members wish to suggest any options for action that we might take forward?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 6 December 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Given the Scottish Government’s very clear guidance—and noting Mr Ewing’s comments, which I expect might be more widely shared—are colleagues content to close the petition, even though it is a new one, given the direction that we have received?

Members indicated agreement.