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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 July 2025
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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 24 January 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Thank you. Following on from the submissions and notes that we have received in relation to the Scottish Government’s view that the “golden rule” that obtains elsewhere in the UK is not necessary in Scotland, it would be good to ask the Law Society when we write to it why it feels satisfied that the current arrangements are sufficient. It is clear that, across the rest of the UK, that is not the judgment that has been reached. Individual circumstances can be very detrimental, and the current outcomes can be quite tragic.

Important issues have been raised in the petition, and I am not terribly satisfied with the brush-off response that we have received so far. I think that we need to drill down and interrogate a bit further in respect of all this. Do colleagues share that view? Mr Torrance, are you waving your glasses to say something, or are you just waving your glasses?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 24 January 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Thank you. We will keep the petition open and drill down a little bit further. We will write to the various organisations that Mr Choudhury suggested writing to, and specifically the Law Society. I would like to ask the Law Society whether it can give any indication to us of the outcomes of its operational practice as it currently stands. What can it point to that it believes means that the current arrangement is satisfactory, given that there is a much more stringent application of practice elsewhere in the UK?

It has been a long morning for our petitioners in the gallery. I hope that they are content that we are keeping the petition open and will be pursuing its aims. Of course, as petitioners, they will be kept abreast of any information in relation to the progress of the petition.

That brings us to the end of our public session this morning. Our next meeting is on 7 February. I hereby close the formal part of our meeting.

12:04 Meeting continued in private until 12:15.  

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 24 January 2024

Jackson Carlaw

I see that our colleagues who are in the room are also content. Are we agreed?

Members indicated agreement.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 24 January 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Item 6 relates to the evidence that we are about to hear in relation to the inquiry and item 7 relates to our pre-budget scrutiny work.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

A9 Dualling Project

Meeting date: 24 January 2024

Jackson Carlaw

I am sure that it would have a full agenda.

Grahame Barn from the Civil Engineering Contractors Association Scotland is joining us this morning. Good morning, Grahame, and welcome to our proceedings. Later this morning, we will hear evidence from current and former Transport Scotland officials.

As members will be aware, since we last considered the issue, the Cabinet Secretary for Transport, Net Zero and Just Transition updated the chamber on the Scottish Government’s plans for dualling the A9. The committee has also received material from Transport Scotland with information about the advice on the A9 dualling programme that was provided to ministers between 2012 and 2023.

As the Scottish Parliament information centre summary of evidence notes, the documents range from brief extracts of draft budget proposals for ministerial consideration to lengthy briefing documents for major parliamentary announcements—and, my goodness, there were plenty of them. There was certainly a lot of material to digest.

It is worth remembering that the committee is not only interested in the circumstances of everything that has gone before; it is also concerned to ensure that we deliver on the aims of the petition, which are that the A9 project is completed and that consideration is given to having a memorial for the people who have perished during this period due to road traffic incidents on the A9.

Mr Barn, are you content for us to move straight to questions this morning?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

A9 Dualling Project

Meeting date: 24 January 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Interestingly, that was the issue with the Queensferry crossing, in that the committee anticipated the need for public inquiries at various points in relation to the route, because the route and not the bridge itself was, by far, the most complicated aspect of that project.

Before I move to colleagues, I turn to what seems to be at the hub of much of what I have read. Does the industry think that the current approval processes for major road and other infrastructure projects in Scotland have proved to be fit for purpose? If not, what needs to happen to make them so?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

A9 Dualling Project

Meeting date: 24 January 2024

Jackson Carlaw

I am delighted to bring in our colleague and reporter from a sister committee, Edward Mountain.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

A9 Dualling Project

Meeting date: 24 January 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Is that a declaration from the Edward committee? [Laughter.]

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

A9 Dualling Project

Meeting date: 24 January 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Finally, Mr Ewing, do you wish to come in briefly?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

A9 Dualling Project

Meeting date: 24 January 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Mr Barn, thank you very much for joining us again this morning. You have given us more time than we had anticipated you would have to give, and your answers have been extremely helpful. We might speak to you again; we certainly look forward to reflecting on everything that you have said today.