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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 June 2025
Jackson Carlaw
No, no—it is okay. I am sure that you are, but that would lead us down the route of goodness-knows-what precedent; I would have every MSP turning up at the committee.
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 June 2025
Jackson Carlaw
PE2103, which was lodged by Dr Julie Badcock, was last considered on 9 October 2024, when we agreed to write to the Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills. The response highlights the decision to freeze learning hours across Scotland and the agreement of Falkirk Council to withdraw its proposal to reduce learning hours in the area for the financial year 2025-26. The response states that the Scottish ministers will work with local Government on proposals to establish a statutory minimum number of learning hours and to understand the definition of a learning hour and the impact of that ambition on councils that currently provide a lower number of learning hours.
Do members have any suggestions for how to act?
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 June 2025
Jackson Carlaw
I very much agree, and the element of parental choice is important, but, as you say, the point that has been raised in relation to sport is also interesting and not one that had been thought of in this context. The minister says that the Government is open to revisiting the issue in the future, if evidence of significant harm to pupils were to emerge. However, the question is who is going to collate any such evidence on which a decision might be based. I am happy that, in closing the petition, we write to the Government to say that, although we have closed the petition, we note the fact that the Government thinks that it might be worth revisiting the matter in the event that evidence were to emerge and to ask and encourage it to consider how such evidence might be gathered.
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 June 2025
Jackson Carlaw
Or have not been undertaken.
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 June 2025
Jackson Carlaw
Good morning and welcome to the 10th meeting in 2025 of the Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee.?
Item one is the dry decision whether to take in private item 4, which relates to consideration of the evidence heard during item 2. Are members content so to do?
Members indicated agreement.
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 June 2025
Jackson Carlaw
Our first continued petition is PE2105, which was lodged by Lydia Franklin on behalf of Save Britain’s Heritage and calls on the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to set a minimum evidence requirement to prevent the unnecessary use of emergency public safety powers to demolish listed buildings.
We last considered the petition at our meeting on 9 October 2024, when we agreed to invite relevant stakeholders to give evidence at a future meeting. I am delighted that the committee will now hear evidence from Hazel Johnson, the director of the Built Environment Forum Scotland, Professor Gordon Masterton, chair of the Institution of Civil Engineers panel for historical engineering works, and Laura Shanks, chair of Local Authority Building Standards Scotland. A warm welcome to you all.
We hope to be joined online by our former committee member and parliamentary colleague, Paul Sweeney MSP, who has taken a particular interest in the proceedings. However, I do not think that we quite have him online as yet.
Professor Masterton would like to say a few words. Feel free, and then we will move to questions, if we may.
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 June 2025
Jackson Carlaw
We will leave the aspiring Professor Golden and his lecturing and move to Fergus Ewing.
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 June 2025
Jackson Carlaw
Laura, can you go next, as I pointed the finger at local authorities a little bit?
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 June 2025
Jackson Carlaw
We are a little short of time, so I ask that you try to be concise in responding.
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 June 2025
Jackson Carlaw
Are members content? For the Scottish Government to have said that it expected to produce a report before the summer recess last year but to then say that it has taken a bit of time to drive some consensus as we head into the summer recess of 2025 does not inspire one to the view that there is any pressing urgency being given to producing the required information to help the issue to progress.