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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 November 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Claire Baker

Is it fair to say that we are not yet at the stage where the scenario that you have just described is happening. Are we on the precipice of that happening? What are the barriers? What is stopping this from getting under way?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Claire Baker

I am going to allow Graham Simpson a short supplementary question before I come to Colin Smyth.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 8 March 2023

Claire Baker

I find it interesting where the conversation has ended up. During the evidence sessions, I have found myself reflecting on the phrase “just transition for Grangemouth” that we have been talking about and how it suggests a shift from somewhere that is already positive and viable. I know that what we are talking about here is the industrial complex making the shift to net zero, but as we have heard from Adam Gillies and as his submission shows—indeed, Malcolm Bennie talked about this, too—there are high levels of poor health and low employment in the area. In some ways, Grangemouth is still living with the consequences of its industrial heritage from longer ago.

I was just thinking about the draft plan that the Government is putting together and which we are expecting towards the end of spring. Malcolm Bennie was, I think, heading in this direction when he talked about the need to think about not just the industrial base but the broader community; in some ways, such an approach starts from a completely different place from the industrial base, with different challenges being faced. I suppose that it all comes back to one’s interpretation of “just transition”. Do you think that the Government’s draft plan will take a broader view, and do you think that that is something that the committee should be emphasising to the minister?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 8 March 2023

Claire Baker

Thank you. Diarmaid Lawlor, I will come to you next. We received your paper yesterday, and it talks about a number of projects and things that are happening in Grangemouth—in particular, greener Grangemouth, which I think more members will ask questions about. Is that largely where you play a role in delivering a just transition for Grangemouth? Do you think that the public have an understanding of the projects that you are working on and what they mean?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 8 March 2023

Claire Baker

Adam Gillies, welcome to the committee meeting. Do you want to say a bit about what you think a just transition means for Grangemouth and what success would look like?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 8 March 2023

Claire Baker

Will you give us a view of how the board operates? Is it effective in terms of bringing together the public partners? What do you see as being the priorities of the board members?

09:45  

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 8 March 2023

Claire Baker

My last question is for Adam Gillies, but first I must thank everyone for taking part this morning. In a few weeks, we will have the minister in. What is the key thing that you think we have to tell him, as the Scottish Government’s representative, about Grangemouth’s future and what needs to happen there?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 8 March 2023

Claire Baker

The witnesses have very generously given us more time than we anticipated, but there are a couple of members left who have questions, so I will hand over to Fiona Hyslop.

11:15  

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 8 March 2023

Claire Baker

Good morning, and welcome to the seventh meeting in 2023 of the Economy and Fair Work Committee.

The first item of business is a decision to take in private item 3, which will be a discussion of the evidence that we hear this morning, and all future discussions of evidence heard as part of the inquiry. Are committee members agreed?

Members indicated agreement.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 8 March 2023

Claire Baker

Our next item of business is the third evidence session of our inquiry into a just transition for the Grangemouth area. Today’s evidence session will focus on the partnership working that is needed to facilitate a just transition. I welcome Malcolm Bennie, who is director of place services with Falkirk Council; Adam Gillies, who is from Grangemouth community council; and Diarmaid Lawlor, who is associate director of place with the Scottish Futures Trust.

As always, it will be helpful if members and witnesses keep their questions and answers as concise as possible.

I will let all three witnesses address this question, but I will come to you first, Malcolm. We are looking at a just transition for the Grangemouth area, but there is still some debate about what “just transition” means. What is the working interpretation that is being used for the Grangemouth area, and do people have an understanding of what people are trying to achieve?