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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 November 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 19 April 2023

Claire Baker

That brings us to the end of the evidence session. I thank the witnesses for their time this morning; it is much appreciated. I now move the meeting into private session.

10:50 Meeting continued in private until 11:06.  

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 19 April 2023

Claire Baker

Yes. One point that you made in the response to the draft report is that there is a need to tackle some of the difficult questions and to really get to the nub of some of the harder issues and try to reach consensus.

I will bring in Maggie Chapman.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 19 April 2023

Claire Baker

We can, but there is a bit of delay on the line.

Before I bring in Jamie Halcro Johnston, I will ask an initial question. We have had a discussion with Professor Skea about the commission’s response to the Government’s draft plan on energy. Do you want to say a bit about the meeting on 27 January that the commission had and the key areas that you highlight? There are a number of issues in there, including inequalities, equity, fair work and road maps. Professor Skea has explained that you have not looked specifically at Grangemouth so far, but we are expecting the draft plan on Grangemouth. Are there any areas that you would focus on in relation to Grangemouth as we anticipate that plan coming forward?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 19 April 2023

Claire Baker

Good morning and welcome to the 11th meeting in 2023 of the Economy and Fair Work Committee. I have received apologies from Colin Beattie.

Our first item of business is the sixth evidence session of our inquiry into a just transition for the Grangemouth area. Today’s session will focus on the work of the just transition commission and will consider the key issues and challenges in achieving a just transition. I am pleased to welcome again Professor Jim Skea, chair of the just transition commission, who is joined by Elliot Ross, head of the commission’s secretariat. We will also be joined by Lang Banks, a commissioner of the just transition commission, but he has been delayed.

As always, if witnesses and members could keep their questions and answers as concise and short as possible, that would be helpful.

I will start by asking about recent publications. It would be fair to say that there has been a bit of tension between the commission and the Scottish Government. I understand that the memorandum of understanding between the commission and the Government has now been published. Professor Skea might want to say a wee bit about the importance of that and about whether he believes that it will strengthen relationships and make clear the role of the commission. Would it be fair to say that there has been a degree of frustration from the commission about a lack of pace and detail in the energy strategy that has been received so far?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 19 April 2023

Claire Baker

Will you say a little more about the outcome of the memorandum of understanding? When the “Draft Energy Strategy and Just Transition Plan” was published, the commission produced a detailed report with, I think, 84 recommendations that really pushed the Government on some of the detail. That looks behind the headline or top-line statements. It feels as though, if that had been done at an earlier stage rather than when we had the draft, it would have been more productive, and it probably would have been a better consultation document. Going forward, is it the intention to have a wee bit more detail in the drafts when they are produced?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 19 April 2023

Claire Baker

Good morning. I will start with an initial question. Can you hear us, Mr Banks?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 19 April 2023

Claire Baker

That is great.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 19 April 2023

Claire Baker

Colin Smyth has some questions.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Claire Baker

Thank you.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Claire Baker

Our next item of business is the fifth evidence session for our inquiry into a just transition for the Grangemouth area. Today’s session will focus on how public policy and funding can be used to unlock private capital to finance a just transition. I welcome Heather Buchanan, co-founder of Bankers for Net Zero, James Close, head of climate change at NatWest Group, and Ben Howarth, sustainability officer at the Association of British Insurers. As always, it would be helpful if members and witnesses could keep their questions and answers as concise as possible.

I will start. You are all here to talk about the importance of green finance. I ask you to set out your views on the appetite for that in Scotland, in terms of both supply from investors and demand from individuals and businesses.

I come to Heather Buchanan first. Bankers for Net Zero, I think, published a report on mainstreaming net zero that said that there was a lack of a comprehensive strategy to support small and medium-sized enterprises to make the transition in significant numbers. It was a United Kingdom report, but did you find that the picture in Scotland is similar? Could you say a little about whether there is an appetite for green finance in Scotland?