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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 12 February 2026
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Claire Baker

Paul de Leeuw, I will come back to you before I move to Colin Smyth. You have said that the just transition can be different things for different people or different sectors, but is enough being done to create a route map? Do we need a framework to recognise progress points? We all know what the end point is, but does more need to be done to set out how we get there?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Claire Baker

Thank you.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Claire Baker

Are we clear enough about what is being measured and what success will look like? Other witnesses have spoken about a data gap. Is that a challenge in trying to determine success?

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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Claire Baker

One of the areas that we are looking at is how we will know whether a just transition is being delivered. Should targets or marks be identified? You mentioned jobs—should there be a target for green jobs?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Claire Baker

That is what your company has done on the question of what a just transition is. Should there be more expectation on other organisations to take that approach? You have described yourselves as being the lead in this area, but that seems to have been a choice that was made by SSE. Is there enough support for, encouragement of or obligation on other companies to understand the importance of a just transition and to think about how they will deliver it?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Claire Baker

Is enough being done to set out that route map for Moray and the north-east or to bring together the people who need to be speaking to each other to create it?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Claire Baker

I come to John Boland to address the question of the definition of a just transition and whether there is a shared understanding of that.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Claire Baker

You mentioned communities. Are there tensions there, and is there enough effort to resolve them? Is it a case of, if we do something one way, it will benefit one group of people, but another group of people might not benefit so much? How do we resolve those tensions? That is what I am talking about: a shared understanding of what a just transition is.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Claire Baker

Brian Whittle has a quick supplementary question.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Claire Baker

A lot of the discussion this morning has been about a skills transition for people who were in employment in the oil and gas sector so that they can move over to the renewables sector, but what does it mean to call it a just transition? Are there different areas? What should be measured? What makes it a just transition rather than just a transition from one sector to the other?