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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 July 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Claire Baker

Yes, there will be opportunities for you to do that in response to other questions.

In your submission, you said that it is important to distinguish between commissioning and procurement. You spoke about both in your answer. Does the 2014 act recognise the role of commissioning enough? Is there enough co-operation between procurement and commissioning for the third sector?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Claire Baker

Our next item of business is the committee’s second evidence session as part of its post-legislative scrutiny of the Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014. The committee will hear from two panels this morning. I am pleased to be joined, first, by Pauline Gordon, who is partnership manager at the TSI Scotland Network; David Livey, who is policy and public affairs manager at the Scottish Council for Voluntary Organisations; and Duncan Thorp, who is policy and public affairs manager at Social Enterprise Scotland.

Members and witnesses should keep their questions and answers as concise as possible, so that we get through as much as possible.

I will ask the opening question. What benefits have you seen since the 2014 act was implemented, and what key challenges remain?

I thank the witnesses who submitted written submissions. David Livey, in the paper that the Scottish Council for Voluntary Organisations provided, you said:

“The ideals of community wealth building, sustainable procurement, and a wellbeing economy risk being reduced to mere rhetoric without a procurement system centred on outcomes and impact.”

Is the 2014 act delivering in that regard? What are the key challenges that are making that difficult?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Claire Baker

I will ask Pauline Gordon a similar question. What have been the key changes since 2014, and what are the biggest challenges that remain?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Claire Baker

I will ask Duncan Thorp the same question. What big changes did the 2014 act introduce? What has been positive about it? What things still need to be tackled?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Claire Baker

Brian Whittle has a final supplementary.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Claire Baker

In a few weeks’ time, we will take evidence from Scotland Excel. I do not know whether you want to comment on whether that model is helpful for social enterprises, how difficult or otherwise it is to be part of Scotland Excel and what it means if you are not part of it.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Claire Baker

Has the introduction of the policies that they now have been enough of a driver, notwithstanding the difficulties that exist in measuring the data? Has the expectation to produce a policy helped to drive the increase in the number of fair trade policies?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Claire Baker

Lindsey Millen, what are the key changes since the 2014 act? What has been positive about it, and where are the bigger challenges?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Claire Baker

Martin, is increasing the amount of fair trade products that are procured not just about the smaller fair trade distributors but also about bigger providers? Would it be appropriate for local authorities and the NHS to put conditions on their suppliers? I was not going to name particular businesses, but Sodexo is an example as it is one of the biggest suppliers. Is success in this area partly about making the bigger companies provide more fair trade products?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Claire Baker

As we are talking about the legislation, I note that, with contracts of a value of up to £50,000, the quick quote system can be used. Lindsey, do you have any views on that? Previous panels have told us that the threshold has not been changed and, indeed, could be increased, and the quick-quote system could take out some of the bureaucracy and perhaps some of the barriers that smaller businesses—perhaps more women-led businesses—are experiencing in getting into contracts.