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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 July 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Claire Baker

Thank you. I come now to Joanna Panese, from Scottish Autism. Carmel McKeogh talked about the support that her organisation gives to young autistic people. From national figures, we know that, for the 16 to 64 age group, people with autism have the lowest employment rate compared with those with other conditions. They are right at the bottom. We also know that although autistic people are often university graduates, they find it more difficult than other graduates to find work—and the pay is not as good, I think. Will you say a bit about that, in relation to what the key barriers and problems are?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Claire Baker

We had a session with The Usual Place from Dumfries, and we met the young people who work there. What you have said chimes with some of the evidence that we heard in that session.

I should also let members know that, this morning, the Education, Children and Young People Committee published its report on additional support for learning. We have not yet had a chance to look at that report, but that committee has been doing work on the educational side of the issue.

I will hand over to Maggie Chapman.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Claire Baker

Our next item is the third evidence session of the committee’s inquiry into the disability employment gap in Scotland. This morning, we will focus on the barriers that are faced by people with learning disabilities and neurodivergent people in accessing the labour market.

I welcome Carmel McKeogh, who is the operations director at DFN Project Search; Charlie McMillan, who is the chief executive of the Scottish Commission for People with Learning Disabilities; Joanna Panese, who is practice and community development lead at Scottish Autism; and Alan Thornburrow, who is the chief executive officer at the Salvesen Mindroom Centre. As always, it would be helpful if members and witnesses could keep their questions and answers as concise as possible. Thank you all for attending.

I will start with an opening question, which I will put first to Carmel McKeogh. Will you outline what you see as being the key barriers to employment for people with learning disabilities and neurodivergent people? There will be an opportunity for you to expand on the subject later but, initially, it would be helpful to get the headlines on what the key barriers are.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Claire Baker

Alan, do you share that view?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Claire Baker

I have a final question. When she mentioned adult programmes, Carmel McKeogh opened up a whole other area of discussion that, unfortunately, we do not have time to cover this morning. However, the committee has a scrutiny role, and that scrutiny relates to whether the Government can meet the 2038 target.

Turning first to Charlie McMillan, I just remind him of the question that I asked at the beginning of the evidence session. Will we meet the 2038 target? In that respect, I understand that the disability action plan was published in 2018. Is the plan fit for purpose or do we need to look at it afresh?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Claire Baker

I call Evelyn Tweed, to be followed by Murdo Fraser.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Claire Baker

To go back to questions on data, is it not the case that we cannot tell from it how many people do or do not need such support?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Claire Baker

Perhaps we could follow up on that point.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Claire Baker

I will have to look back at the papers for last week’s meeting, but we will follow that up. I thank you all for being generous with your time this morning.

That brings us to the end of our public session, and I move the meeting into private session.

11:38 Meeting continued in private until 11:53.  

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Claire Baker

Yes—that is fine. Do you want to comment on the balance between voluntary and paid work, and whether there is a prevalence for disabled people to be expected to do voluntary rather than paid work?