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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 1 July 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Elections Bill

Meeting date: 25 November 2021

George Adam

Yes I can, Mr Doris. The dialogue continues. We still have bilateral conversations with Wales or Westminster and trilateral conversations all together.

I admit that the most recent meeting was pretty fraught. The process has not been helped by there being a reshuffle in the UK Government, which meant that the minister with whom we had built up a relationship moved on, so we had to deal with a new minister and a new relationship. The UK minister’s portfolio has also become larger, so electoral reform is just one aspect of it.

We will continue to engage and communicate to try to find ways forward when we can. We are trying to work through the matter in a way that avoids confusion. I am not going to say that that will be easy, because of the way that things are, but we are doing our best to work through the situation.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Elections Bill

Meeting date: 25 November 2021

George Adam

Things have changed; the bill has been a moveable feast. It has always been on our minds that, if there is a way forward and a different way of doing business that is valuable to us, for the people of Scotland, we will be happy to look at that for our bill. We have always looked at timescales. Sometimes things have been challenging, but we are pretty confident that we will be able to do everything that is needed for the bill in time for the next election.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Elections Bill

Meeting date: 25 November 2021

George Adam

We will leave it at that, but with the caveat that things have not gone exactly smoothly in the process. Who knows what could come from that negotiation?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Elections Bill

Meeting date: 25 November 2021

George Adam

I appreciate that Mr Mountain is trying to find common ground. I have done that myself over the past six months. However, key parts of the proposed legislation make that extremely difficult for us all—it is very difficult to find that common ground.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Elections Bill

Meeting date: 25 November 2021

George Adam

Let us see what is in my bill in 2023, Mr Mountain. I know that you are enthusiastic and want to know what is happening here and now but, as I said, there is a process that we have to go through, and we need to get—

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Elections Bill

Meeting date: 25 November 2021

George Adam

Mr Mountain—

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Elections Bill

Meeting date: 25 November 2021

George Adam

A more accurate way to summarise it would be to say that I can understand where the UK Government is going on the issue but I want to consult on it and get more information and data, so that I can see what the main benefits would be for us when our bill comes to the Scottish Parliament in 2023.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Elections Bill

Meeting date: 25 November 2021

George Adam

Mr Mountain, we are going through a process. I have accused the UK Government of putting things before this Parliament at the very last minute, telling us how we should take things forward and assuming that we would do so. For me to make a solid commitment on any aspects of the bill at this stage would be to do likewise; I would not be giving the Parliament and you, as fellow MSPs, the opportunity to engage with the process.

I am saying at this stage that we will consult, go through the process and consider the matter ourselves.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Elections Bill

Meeting date: 25 November 2021

George Adam

We have had a number of bilateral meetings with the Westminster Government and with my Welsh colleague. My Welsh colleague and I are of the opinion, in respect of the Electoral Commission, that there is work that we could do on our side that might be a lot better than what Westminster has proposed. Westminster seems to see the Electoral Commission almost as the enemy, while I and my Welsh colleague are trying to find a way forward by working with the commission. We have, for example, suggested that the Scottish Parliament and the Senedd might have a role in relation to the commission, but that suggestion has been left to one side and has not really been accepted.

That is at the heart of what we are trying to discuss. My Welsh colleague and I have been very open and up front in the discussions about what we want and what we want to do, but we have come to the same conclusion: we would rather have a process ourselves. The Scottish Parliament and the Senedd should make the decisions.

We have recently had arguments in the chamber about the idea that there seems to be a push back from Westminster against the devolved nations. That is not a political statement; it is purely a statement of fact. We are trying to ensure that we get the best under devolution and that we retain the powers that we currently have. We have been pushing with regard to the Electoral Commission, and we have serious concerns about what is almost a threat from Westminster to the commission.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Elections Bill

Meeting date: 25 November 2021

George Adam

We are proposing to bring forward our own legislation to ensure that we decide what happens in devolved elections. The process in general will cause confusion when there is a UK election. As I said in my statement, an unfortunate point about the UK Elections Bill process is that we were given what was published at the very last minute and were expected just to toe the line. My Welsh colleague and I believe that that is not showing respect to the devolved Administrations.