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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 16 September 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

George Adam

Good morning. I have the pleasure of asking you this question: is there anything else that should be in the bill or that we should consider? We have talked about a lot of things today—we have gone from one end to the other. Is there anything specific that either of you believes should be in the bill, or is there anything else that you want to say before you go?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

George Adam

Five years—not three.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

George Adam

We are going round in circles, so I will just leave it at that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

George Adam

You have taught me something today, Mr Yeates. Any time I see an independent report that I do not agree with, I will say that it is an opinion piece. That will be my defence, and I hope that my colleagues will back me up when I use it.

James Withers has said:

“The skills system is not fit for the substantially different future approaching us. We need a radical rethink or the job opportunities that arise from a changing economy risk being lost; a repeat of the 1980s.”

That is quite damning, and I know, too, that his report backs the merging of SFC and SDS. Surely that would be a way forward and would achieve what all of us want, which is to ensure that we give people opportunities to get jobs. When I asked a question about that earlier, I was politely told that it was an old-fashioned ideal that apprenticeships were the big thing, and that there is now greater scope in the educational landscape to find ways of delivering that sort of thing. Is that not what this is trying to do?

Again, I thank you for teaching me that lesson, Mr Yeates—that is, simply to diss every single report that comes in with that argument—but surely you take on board something of what Mr Withers has said.

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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

George Adam

The more that I have listened to you talk—we have been doing this for nearly 12 hours now—the more that I have been thinking about whether we are trying to reinvent the wheel. Education Scotland does a lot of this work anyway. Are we not tinkering around the edges to create another body that would do what Education Scotland is already doing?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

George Adam

Should something go wrong and the inspector report something, you are accountable to the Parliament. Every one of my colleagues can demand in the chamber that you do something about it. My concern is that, at that point, you could answer any question by saying, “Well, it’s not really my job any more”—basically, telling us to talk to the chief inspector. Is there not a case that you would water down accountability if you supported the amendments from Willie Rennie and Sue Webber?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

George Adam

Ken Muir said that the current processes and systems were robust enough for them to continue in that way. He also said that it would cause further confusion as to what was what and what stood within which organisation.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

George Adam

I am just going on the evidence that Professor Muir gave at stage 1. He discussed the benefits of the current framework’s adaptability and suggested that mandatory alignment might create unnecessary rigidity in the qualifications system.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

George Adam

Will the minister take an intervention?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

George Adam

What Pam Duncan-Glancy is trying to do is not a bad thing—