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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 4 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

George Adam

In March 2024, he was praising everyone for their financial resilience while things were in total free fall—I know that the band played on while the Titanic sank, but I do not think that that should be the case in a university. Would you say that a lot of that culture possibly came from the senior level and the principal himself?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

George Adam

Can you give us any particular examples of that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

George Adam

Amanda Millar, did the court have a similar attitude as Mr McGeorge had with regard to the principal?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

George Adam

When I first saw the Gillies report, I tried to find a smoking gun—when did it all start going wrong? However, there is no smoking gun. It is just a systematic failure at every point.

When you look at the collapse, you see that it is largely internal. There is poor financial judgment and failure to act in real time on clear warning signs. There are overly optimistic budgeting assumptions and weak internal controls. There is a lack of transparency and ineffective oversight by the university court and the executive. To me, those are the basics. How did you get to the stage where you ended up in a perfect storm?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

George Adam

That is the bit that I cannot get. Having been involved as a local councillor with council budgets, and in other organisations, I am of the opinion that, when such savings are asked for, we get stuff back. Here, however, there was something that was complete and utter fantasy. You, or the institution, doubled down the year after. I just do not understand how you could get yourself into that position.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

George Adam

In March 2024, while all that chaos was going on, there was a communication from the principal, bizarrely praising everyone for their financial resilience, but at that stage the university was in free fall. I still have a difficulty with that. Was there a culture to suppress challenge within the university? Did that come from a senior level? If so, who was responsible for that, Mr Fotheringham?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

George Adam

What are your thoughts on that, Dr McGeorge?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

George Adam

If you saw those things happening, did you feel that you could approach the principal and say, “Haud the bus, this is not working”?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

George Adam

You are all looking good considering the bus that Baroness Alexander flung you under when she said that she was totally moved out from her post. We know that the international student numbers were part of the reason for some of the problems and challenges that you all faced. She said that she was “sidelined” and that she never had the opportunity to be able to talk about anything to do with finance. Dr McGeorge, what is your view on that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

George Adam

Right, but she says that she was “sidelined” and that no one spoke to her about finances.