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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 17 September 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

George Adam

I can only go on the evidence that we received from the people who were sitting in front of us. We have heard about the 40 per cent cut and the fact that, in some cases, the subcontractor ends up being the college anyway. As you already told us, the college is trying to find a way to fund the delivery, while that 40 per cent is in the sky rocket of the other organisation.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

George Adam

Can you understand the committee’s concern when we have heard something like that from an individual who is involved in the process? As we all know, every single public penny is to be accounted for, and the system seems extremely complicated. I know that you said that this is the starting point, but it seems to be an extremely complicated way to deliver the training that we need.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

George Adam

That sounds good to me.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

George Adam

Good morning. I will carry on from what Sarah Collins said. Those of us of a cynical persuasion—I would probably include myself as one—sometimes ask a question and know what the answer will be, but we do not expect someone to give you the answer so brutally. Last week, I was asking questions of the private providers, and I was told by Stephanie Lowe of the Scottish and Northern Ireland Plumbing Employers Federation that they take a 40 per cent cut—and she was quite comfortable with the language—from the whole thing.

The idea in the college model is that 80 or 90 per cent of the funding goes directly to the apprentice or student and the course. We were concerned by the idea that someone could blatantly come out and say, “40 per cent goes in our sky rocket and we do what we want,” because there is no transparency. It is not like a college—it cannot be subject to a freedom of information request—so there is no transparency.

I have a fair idea of what your opinion will be, Sarah, but what is your opinion on that approach compared to other ways in which we could possibly deliver the training?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

George Adam

Another concern I have with the situation—Colleges Scotland brought it up—is the idea of double dipping. A subcontractor could subcontract, which to me seems like madness. That is more of a point of view of mine rather than a question.

In closing, I have a question that I have asked everyone. Is there anything that you think should be part of the bill that you have not mentioned today or that you want to get on the record so that we can look at it as time progresses?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

George Adam

I have a final question for our witnesses. Is there anything else about the bill that the committee should consider that has not been mentioned already today?

I take it that the silence means no.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

BBC Scotland

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

George Adam

Frank Gallagher, would you like to add anything?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

BBC Scotland

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

George Adam

Thank you very much.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

BBC Scotland

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

George Adam

Another thing that you have mentioned before is that you cannot replace an on-going drama with anything else. It is just impossible. The BBC says that people do not watch television in the way that they used to, but if you look at it that way, “EastEnders” is only getting 4 million or 5 million in a good week and nobody is talking about “EastEnders” going. That used to be a monster of a show that had 20 million to 25 million viewers in its heyday.

There seems to be a situation. We had the BBC director general here. He said, “We are not trying to game the system”—he did sound a little bit like a geezer when he said that. Yet, at that same time, where there was Scottish content, it is now thousands of hours of snooker. The thing is that it is about our voices and about what we do. Surely there is a way that the BBC can work with you to try to find a way out of this. This drama cannot be replaced.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

BBC Scotland

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

George Adam

It is just a different drama, mate. [Laughter.]