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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 24 March 2025
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Murdo Fraser

Good morning.

I will pick up on what Colin Smyth said, which is a good starting point. I want to follow up on the convener’s thread. You will have followed the Finance and Public Administration Committee’s discussions on the matter. The core of our work is to understand the role of commissioners and the gap that they are attempting to fill.

With a population of 5.5 million, Scotland is a relatively small country. We have 129 MSPs and 57 MPs, and we have 28 ministers and law officers, so we are not exactly undergoverned at the present time. What gap are commissioners filling? Is their existence simply an admission that the other current structures are not working properly? Is not there a better way to address the issue?

Given that we are relatively short of time, I will ask my second question at the same time. You have all made specific proposals, and there are other proposals out there that I have heard about. For example, it has been proposed that there should be a commissioner for individuals with autism—for the neurodiverse community. There will be a long list of other interest groups that believe that they should have a commissioner, too. Where do we stop? How many commissioners should we end up with—or are you simply saying, “I want my commissioner, and that’ll be it”?

Jeremy Balfour is smiling, so I will go to him first.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Murdo Fraser

Yes.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Murdo Fraser

Would your proposals not fit under the remit of the Scottish Human Rights Commission? Jeremy, that commission told you that it does not have the resource, so instead of having separate commissioners for disabled people and for older people, could the Human Rights Commission be appropriately resourced to take on those roles?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Murdo Fraser

Thank you. That was very helpful. In fact, you have pre-empted my follow-up question, which was about potentially reviewing the funding model. You seem to be suggesting that, in contemplation, you are not enthusiastic about that.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Murdo Fraser

Good morning. I want to ask some questions on audit fees and costs, because that has come up in our evidence, including from the Scottish Public Services Ombudsman. The committee is dealing with SPCB supported bodies, which tend to have relatively small budgets, and the cost of audit is therefore a substantial burden on them. How does Audit Scotland determine the audit fees that are charged to those bodies? How do you ensure that those fees are fair and proportionate?

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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Murdo Fraser

You and Jeremy Balfour have both made very compelling arguments for why there should be commissioners, but that leads me to my second question. Where do you draw the line? We could have commissioners for everything. Given that you could make a strong argument for commissioners in all sorts of areas, how do you set the criteria for when a commissioner is required?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Murdo Fraser

I specifically want to ask you about the criteria. How integral to your proposal, as you developed it, were the criteria that were set down by the Finance Committee in session 2?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Murdo Fraser

Thank you.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Murdo Fraser

I have a final question for all three of you, but I am conscious of time, so please give brief answers. When a member proposes a new commissioner, the non-Government bills unit advises the member to discuss the proposal with other commissioners or bodies operating in the landscape that the proposal impacts on. Did you consult other bodies as recommended? If so, what did you discuss and how did it influence your proposal?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Murdo Fraser

Thank you.