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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 October 2025
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 1 May 2025

Murdo Fraser

I have a very quick follow-up question. To encapsulate your point, Mr Ireland, you can see no advantage to your becoming an SPCB-supported body, as opposed to what you are. Do you think that that would make no difference to the independence of operation that you have?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 1 May 2025

Murdo Fraser

I have a couple of questions on how you exercise your functions, which I will be specific about.

I will start with Julie Paterson. The Mental Welfare Commission for Scotland has the authority to carry out investigations and make recommendations that it “considers appropriate”. Some SPCB-supported bodies have told us that they lack the powers to undertake investigative work under their own initiative. What is your process for identifying an issue for which you think an investigation is appropriate? What experience have you had, once you have submitted recommendations, of meaningful change resulting from them?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 1 May 2025

Murdo Fraser

As you will be aware, one of the reasons that this committee was established was to look not just at the role of existing supported bodies but at the case for any new ones, because a number of proposals to create new commissioners are in train. We are looking at that whole framework and argument. The Scottish Government’s draft ministerial control framework sets out that the creation of a new public body is a last resort. One of the factors that it considers is whether an existing organisation could cover the functions that are proposed for a new body.

Have any of you ever been asked to provide a view on a proposal to create a new body, perhaps in the same field as your organisation? If so, what was your experience of that and how did you feel about the process? Maybe the answer to that question is no, so it will be a very short answer. Do you have any experience of being asked to comment on a proposal for a new body?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 1 May 2025

Murdo Fraser

It is very much a collaborative approach of working with your colleagues.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Murdo Fraser

I have one last question. I am sorry that Jack Norquoy did not get to answer the previous one but maybe he can come in on this as well. The Scottish Government is considering moving apprenticeship funding from Skills Development Scotland to the Scottish Funding Council. Would that help or hinder how apprenticeships are supported? I see that Paul Sheerin wants to come in.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Murdo Fraser

I will ask a slightly different question about funding for apprenticeship places, which is an issue that we have heard a lot about in evidence. I think that it was the SCORE Group that raised the apprenticeship levy at last week’s committee meeting. Many Scottish businesses are frustrated about paying the levy without it being transparent where the money goes. We were told that, particularly for businesses that operate across the UK, there is more transparency south of the border on apprenticeship levy money coming back and that the amount of money that they get per apprentice is much higher down south than it is in Scotland. I would be interested to get any perspectives that you have on that. Paul Sheerin is nodding, so I will start with you.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Murdo Fraser

Does anybody else have a thought on what the barriers are?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Murdo Fraser

I will pick up on Lorna Slater’s point about graduate apprenticeships, which is a very interesting model that we have talked a lot about this in the committee. It seems that the opportunities for graduate apprenticeships and all the advantages that they brings are not being matched by the supply. Where is the barrier? Is it in the institutions? Anecdotally, I have heard that some universities are not very keen on graduate apprenticeships, as their preferred model is one in which only full-time students enrol; there are funding issues as well. Paul Campbell is nodding. Do you have any thoughts on that?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Murdo Fraser

That is me, convener.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Murdo Fraser

Thanks—that is very helpful.

On funding more broadly, you have all highlighted experiences of apprenticeships being advertised and the number of applicants far outweighing the number of places. What is the barrier to offering more apprenticeship places from an industry point of view? I put that question to Paul Sheerin. Is it primarily to do with funding, a lack of capacity among employers or a lack of opportunities further down the track so that employers are not taking on people to undertake apprenticeships unless they see a future career path for them?