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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2024
Michael Matheson
I am conscious that that matter is not necessarily entirely within your portfolio responsibilities. However, like any good Government, you would always want to learn lessons from experience and build on those. I have no doubt that, if the Government felt that there was a more appropriate mechanism in the future, it would want to introduce that.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2024
Michael Matheson
Get Glasgow Moving is saying that, even if you oppose the idea of a panel, given the timelines that SPT has set out, it would be better to take the SSI forward as an interim arrangement to allow it to make progress on the matter but with a view to the Government considering whether, in the future, there might be a more appropriate mechanism than the panel system set out in the legislation. Would the Government consider that, given the concerns about the panel?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2024
Michael Matheson
Therefore, if SPT took something forward later in 2026 and the SSI had been annulled, we would be in the situation that ministers have set out, namely that the traffic commissioner would have established a panel but that we would have no control over how the panel operated because of the existing arrangements in primary legislation. Is that correct?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2024
Michael Matheson
I believe so. From the check that I have made, it published documents in 2023. That is its own timeline. On the basis of that timeline, and that evidence, that would mean that a decision on whether to go to a panel would have to be in place by the end of 2026. Is that correct?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2024
Michael Matheson
The committee has received only limited evidence on the matter. Only one individual and two organisations have so far provided evidence, because the committee has had little time to pursue the issue. In the latter part of the evidence that we received from Get Glasgow Moving it referred to SPT’s own timeline for the Strathclyde regional bus strategy process, which is part of its review of the franchising model. It set out that
“its franchising proposals will not be ready for the full independent financial audit (to be followed by the statutory public consultation) until the end of 2025.”
It went on to say:
“This means that they will not be ready for final approval until later in 2026.”
It then explained:
“This gives a window of at least a year for the necessary legislative changes to be made”.
Does that timeline for SPT seeking to take the matter to a panel sound right, given the evidence that we have received?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2024
Michael Matheson
Therefore, your answer to that question is no.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2024
Michael Matheson
I am questioning that because of what Get Glasgow Moving said about what would happen if the panel issue was not resolved. To be fair to it, I am paraphrasing what it said and it might want to challenge this, but it said that, if the requirement for a panel cannot be removed within that timeframe, the SSI should be passed as an interim measure only, with a view to doing something more appropriate in the future. With regard to the timeline that SPT has set out, is it likely that primary legislation will be brought forward between now and the end of 2026—or at least later in 2026—to remove the requirement for a panel to consider any franchising proposal?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2024
Michael Matheson
You also cannot bind any post-2026 Government anyway. I am conscious that, even after an election, legislation tends to get pushed back as committees are established and priorities are set. That is helpful, thank you.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2024
Michael Matheson
However, that legislative change would not happen before the end of 2026.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 8 October 2024
Michael Matheson
I have no problem with taking further evidence on the issue, but my overarching concern is that if we were to annul these regulations, there would be no pathway for bus franchising. If the view is that the existing and, indeed, additional safeguard that was put into the legislation at the time is not enough—that is, the provision relating to the traffic commissioner, which was put in because of an issue with regional transport planning authorities doing this on their own and whether they would get it right—the only recourse that we will have will be to primary legislation in order to legislate for something different.
I am just mindful of that issue. There needs to be a pathway for bus franchising, which I am a fan of—indeed, that is why it was in the legislation. If there were a motion to annul and the committee were to agree it, there is a risk that we would have no pathway to franchising in Scotland. From my understanding of what we have heard, primary legislation would then be required, which I suspect would put things back by years.