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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 1 August 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Planning and Infrastructure Bill

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Michael Matheson

Mark Ruskell has a brief supplementary.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Michael Matheson

You have made a number of reasonable points, and we should write to the Scottish Government to ask it for an update on those. I am happy for us to do that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Michael Matheson

Thank you. We will now move into private session.

11:55 Meeting continued in private until 12:10.  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Michael Matheson

Does the committee agree that we should write to the Scottish Government on the matter?

Members indicated agreement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Michael Matheson

I suspect that any next steps will depend on what we get in response to our letter. It would then be for the committee to decide on what to do, such as whether it wants to call the Cabinet Secretary for Transport before the committee or to hold a wider evidence session.

In the meantime, we will write to the Scottish Government and ask for ministers to respond.

Does the committee agree that it does not wish to make any recommendations in relation to the instrument?

Members indicated agreement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Michael Matheson

Item 3 is consideration of two draft statutory instruments. The Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee raised points in relation to both instruments. In relation to the Deposit and Return Scheme for Scotland Amendment Regulations 2025, it has reported a defective drafting issue under reporting ground (i) and seven issues under the general reporting ground.

In relation to the Deposit and Return Scheme for Scotland (Designation of Scheme Administrator) Order 2025, the DPLR Committee has reported one issue of defective drafting under reporting ground (i), one issue where the meaning should be clearer under reporting ground (h) and two issues under the general reporting ground.

The Scottish Government has committed to corrective action on most of those points. Further detail is set out in the clerk’s note on the instruments and, of course, in the DPLR Committee’s report.

I welcome back to the committee Gillian Martin, Acting Cabinet Secretary for Net Zero and Energy, and her supporting officials for this item: Giles Hendry, policy officer, deposit return scheme; Ailsa Heine, solicitor; and Haydn Thomas, producer responsibility unit head.

The instruments are laid under the affirmative procedure, which means that they cannot come into force unless the Parliament approves them. Following this evidence session, the committee will be invited to consider two motions recommending that the instruments be approved. I remind everyone that Scottish Government officials can speak under this item but not in the debate that follows under the next item.

I invite the acting cabinet secretary to make a short opening statement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Michael Matheson

Thank you, cabinet secretary. We move to questions, and I will start us off. What substantive changes have been made to the Deposit and Return Scheme for Scotland Amendment Regulations 2025 in order to align with the scheme in England and Northern Ireland?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Michael Matheson

Those are quite significant changes. What impact will they have on the outcomes that will be achieved compared with what was proposed under the Scottish DRS, particularly in relation to the environment, carbon emissions, businesses and consumers?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Michael Matheson

The changes have quite a substantial impact on the overall benefit of the original deposit return scheme, given the exclusion of glass from the new scheme.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Michael Matheson

I call Douglas Lumsden.