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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 December 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Michael Matheson

Not specifically on hydrogen. Parts of the network will be challenging to electrify, and would not make sense economically in terms of distance. There is also an issue in that it would probably create greater risk in relation to weather resilience on some of those routes. For example, if you electrify the line going up to Inverness, it is likely that adverse weather will impact overhead lines and so on, but I know that part of the plan is to electrify it.

I recognise that hydrogen technology is not there yet. At best, hydrogen might get deployed in a local commuter train capacity, but certainly not in intercity capacity, given the energy demands that there would be. Battery technology, again, will probably be used in the commuter space at best, rather than in the intercity space. I suspect that we will end up falling back on some sort of diesel hybrid. How can we deploy that technology in a way that helps to reduce its carbon output? I am conscious that renewable-type diesels could be deployed that might be a mechanism that would allow you to use diesel while significantly reducing your carbon footprint. Has there been discussion about that in the industry? Could you see that developing in other parts of the industry outwith Scotland?

11:45  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Michael Matheson

I was struck by the comment that Greig MacKay made about the fact that fare prices do not rank highly when bus users are surveyed about the priorities that should be taken forward to make bus travel more attractive.

There is a limited pot of money, so if you were to prioritise funding to improve bus services and make them more attractive, would you invest in a greater expansion of concessionary travel, introduce a flat rate or capped fare or would you invest in bus prioritisation measures?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Michael Matheson

If the overall budget has not changed, but the way in which it has been apportioned has, is it fair to say that the introduction of expanding concessionary travel did not sufficiently take into account the consequences in terms of the potential impact that it would have on increasing levels of transport inequality, particularly in rural Scotland?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Michael Matheson

Good morning. I would like to follow that line of questioning. The overall pot of money has not decreased; the way in which it is being utilised has changed. So, does the fact that more of the Scottish Government’s bus funding is being used for concessionary travel, which means that there is less money available for the network support grant, mean that the expansion of concessionary travel has resulted in greater transport inequality?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Scottish Water Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Michael Matheson

All that I am trying to understand is the gap between the demand for capital expenditure and what you are spending. You have said in answer that it is £500 million over the six-year regulatory period. Is that correct?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Scottish Water Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Michael Matheson

It has, sort of.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Scottish Water Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Michael Matheson

Okay. Some of that is debatable—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Scottish Water Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Michael Matheson

If we were to go for a year or two, say, with below-inflation increases in water charges, what would the potential impact be on your future spending commitments and investing in infrastructure?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Scottish Water Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Michael Matheson

Okay. It sounds to me that, in October 2023, when you disputed the allegations, you did not in fact know whether what you were saying was accurate. For example: ESS, in its analysis, has highlighted a pumping station in Dunoon that spilled 207 times in 2023, for a total of 187 days over a 277-day period. Thirty-one of those spills occurred during days that were classed as dry. That was in 2023. When those allegations were put to you at this committee in 2023, you disputed them. However, the reality is that you did not know exactly what was going on at that particular point.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Scottish Water Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Michael Matheson

Okay. Of course, increased monitoring will give you more accurate data with which to address the issues, which brings me to my next point. When can we expect a plan from Scottish Water on addressing this particular problem?

11:00