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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 24 June 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Michael Matheson

Yes—we will move on to Falkirk.

I want to unpick that a wee bit further. How much of the surface water and sewerage pollution that is caused in the system is generated by changes in our climate or by poor infrastructure investment planning?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Michael Matheson

Of course. That is helpful, and it would be helpful if you could provide that data.

Are there gaps in our waste management capacity in Scotland that result in waste having to be outsourced to other parts of the UK or other parts of Europe for processing? If so, why is that the case?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Michael Matheson

I am not asking you to give us that information here and now, but do you hold that data?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Michael Matheson

Did the CPT accept the modelling output?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Michael Matheson

That is helpful.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Michael Matheson

That is helpful. There is no doubt in my mind that we are experiencing more intense local weather events than we have experienced historically. At times, such events overwhelm existing infrastructure, no matter how well maintained it is, because it is not able to cope with the intensity, so the need for climate adaptation is becoming more and more apparent here. Given the nature and intensity of such events and the frequency with which they are occurring, you are suggesting that greater climate adaptation through infrastructure planning will become more important.

You will have a good understanding of where the hotspots are in relation to existing infrastructure that is struggling to cope and is resulting in a negative impact on our environment. If Scottish Water, for example, knows such information, is there shared understanding between it and SEPA, as public bodies, of the key infrastructure investment that should be made to maximise mitigation of the risk of negative environmental impacts? Is that reflected in Scottish Water’s infrastructure investment plan? You probably cannot speak for Scottish Water, but do you have a single shared plan that addresses the environmental risks and deals with the infrastructure investment that is needed to mitigate risks?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Michael Matheson

It would be helpful to understand that. I understand that, from a regulatory point of view—and you emphasised that SEPA has an advisory role as well—it is important to try to manage waste as close to source as possible, while reducing it as much as possible to fit in with the principles of the circular economy. We do not have sufficient capacity in particular areas of waste management, so we need to look at increasing that capacity in order to deal with more of our waste here. Further, in areas where we have no capacity at all, we have to look at developing capacity for that waste to be managed here. I am trying to get SEPA’s perspective and the advice that you give on that

I am trying to understand. I know that the issue does not all sit with you, as Zero Waste Scotland and others have an interest in it, but you work in partnership with them, as you mentioned. I am trying to get a picture from you—the regulator—of your advice and what we need to do to increase our capacity in waste management in Scotland. Are you able to provide that?

11:15  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Michael Matheson

Okay. I will take that as you being open to persuasion on the possible timeframe.

I turn to the way in which land management plans are to be taken forward and who is to take them forward. As the bill stands, the land management plans are intended only for pieces of land of more than 3,000 hectares, and that is limited to single, composite and contiguous holdings.

The cabinet secretary will be well aware of the significant commercial holdings of land that are owned by companies and that are all under the threshold, although in some cases those companies are in the top five landholders in Scotland. They would be left out. They would not be covered by the existing definition of how land management plans should be applied. Has any thought been given to including aggregated or corporate holdings in a way that would allow us to make sure that we are capturing what are very significant landholders who, because of the nature of the parcel of land that they own, fall under the threshold for a land management plan?

10:00  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Michael Matheson

I understand your point. However, if the transfer test is a public interest test in essence, albeit not in name, I am still not clear why we cannot be more specific in statute about exactly what will be taken into account in terms of the public interest. I understand that we have done that in the Planning (Scotland) Act 2019 and in the Community Empowerment (Scotland) Act 2015, so I struggle to understand why this bill should be treated differently.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Michael Matheson

I understand that, but I do not understand why you are asserting that it is not necessary to spell that out in the bill, given that, as I understand it, we spell it out in other legislation. Why not spell it out in this bill, too?