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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 4 November 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Mark Ruskell

Cabinet secretary, you have spoken about the importance of investment in publicly owned transport, ferries and ScotRail. Obviously, largely, we do not have that situation with the buses, which are run by private companies. The community bus fund was an attempt to support local authorities to look at more public control through franchising and potentially through municipalisation. That standalone fund has been scrapped and is now part of the bus infrastructure fund for the next year. How will local authorities be able to take forward that work, given the new budget line? Does that approach meet the aspirations of councils to procure their own buses and run their own bus services, or at least control those services through franchising?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Mark Ruskell

Okay. If you do not introduce a cap on fares, how will you dramatically increase patronage? Everything that we have talked about today leads us to the conclusion that bus services are largely stuck. We cannot take them into public ownership overnight. Concessionary travel is expensive, and it is working to an extent. However, with regard to getting adult fare-paying passengers and working people to travel by bus, I am struggling to see how this budget changes the picture. We seem stuck without something like a fair fares type of cap.

10:00  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Great British Energy Bill

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Mark Ruskell

Thank you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Mark Ruskell

Sorry, I think that it was split between revenue and capital.

09:45  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Mark Ruskell

Yes, the momentum or pipeline is really important. However, we have heard concerns from stakeholders that the active travel infrastructure fund is announced only from one year to the next, and that that lack of a multiyear funding commitment disrupts the pipeline.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Mark Ruskell

Okay, but I think that £500 million was set out originally. We are way short of that—we are just talking about tens of millions, tops.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Mark Ruskell

You have commitments around the A9 and sections of the A96 as well, which are an enormous pressure.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Mark Ruskell

You are saying that the community bus fund will continue in some form or another. That is revenue. You also mentioned the bus partnership fund. However, there has only been about 5.8 per cent of the initial £500 million that was promised during this session. Can you give us some clarity as to whether that will meet the aspirations of councils to get buses moving quicker and avoid congestion within our towns and cities?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Mark Ruskell

I want to go back to concessionary travel. Obviously, the under-22s scheme has been hugely successful. I think that the majority of people getting on the bus on my own rural bus route are under 22 and are probably making journeys that they would not be making unless they had the card. However, it is a big investment in private companies—I am just looking at the reimbursement rates. For the older and disabled persons scheme, the rate is about 55 per cent of an adult fare; for the young persons scheme, it is 81 per cent of an adult fare.

Private bus companies are carrying passengers—young people—who probably otherwise would not be travelling, yet they are getting 81 per cent of an adult fare paid to them. Given the amount of money that we are spending on both concessionary travel schemes, which is substantial, that feels almost like profiteering by the bus companies. It does not feel like a reimbursement; it feels like quite a hefty subsidy is being paid to the private companies to carry passengers who otherwise would not be travelling.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Mark Ruskell

You mentioned the fair fares review earlier, cabinet secretary. The review set out some longer-term options for where we go with concessionary travel and investment. Some short-term measures were identified as well, including a pilot for a cap on bus fares. Is that reflected in the budget? If it is not, what options are there to bring that forward, and when will that happen?