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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 September 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Mark Ruskell

I want to go back to concessionary travel. Obviously, the under-22s scheme has been hugely successful. I think that the majority of people getting on the bus on my own rural bus route are under 22 and are probably making journeys that they would not be making unless they had the card. However, it is a big investment in private companies—I am just looking at the reimbursement rates. For the older and disabled persons scheme, the rate is about 55 per cent of an adult fare; for the young persons scheme, it is 81 per cent of an adult fare.

Private bus companies are carrying passengers—young people—who probably otherwise would not be travelling, yet they are getting 81 per cent of an adult fare paid to them. Given the amount of money that we are spending on both concessionary travel schemes, which is substantial, that feels almost like profiteering by the bus companies. It does not feel like a reimbursement; it feels like quite a hefty subsidy is being paid to the private companies to carry passengers who otherwise would not be travelling.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Mark Ruskell

You mentioned the fair fares review earlier, cabinet secretary. The review set out some longer-term options for where we go with concessionary travel and investment. Some short-term measures were identified as well, including a pilot for a cap on bus fares. Is that reflected in the budget? If it is not, what options are there to bring that forward, and when will that happen?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Mark Ruskell

There is no provision in the current budget for that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Mark Ruskell

I want to turn to active travel. There was a previous Government target to spend 10 per cent of the transport budget on active travel, but, in this budget, we are quite a way short of that aspiration. Has the target been dropped? If so, is there anything to replace it with? Is there another aspiration, another target or another commitment from the Government?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Mark Ruskell

You would look to provide more certainty if you had certainty from the Westminster Government, particularly for active travel. Is that what I am hearing?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Mark Ruskell

I have one further question if there is time, convener.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Mark Ruskell

Yes, but surely the principle is that there must be no detriment and the scheme should not result in profiteering—profit making—by the companies. Although the scheme is encouraging more people to use the bus, it should not cost them. I just do not see how a rate of 81 per cent really ensures that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Great British Energy Bill

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Mark Ruskell

Are there any implications for Crown Estate Scotland from the bill that is going through Westminster?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Mark Ruskell

Okay.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Great British Energy Bill

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Mark Ruskell

You have spoken a bit about a good and evolving relationship with the Scottish Government. When the acting cabinet secretary was in front of us last week, we got the impression that there has been change and that things are more positive. Inevitably, however, there will be policy differences. You have acknowledged that, under the devolution settlement, it is inevitable that there will be differences.

I am interested to know how you might manage those differences. Within the remit of GB Energy, there is a commitment to work with Great British Nuclear. You will understand the Scottish Government’s position on nuclear in national planning framework 4. Does that cause you a problem? We have two different energy policies: one that explicitly rejects nuclear in Scotland, and the policy of your Government, which is about promoting nuclear and using GB Energy and Great British Nuclear to provide support for that. Is that a problem?

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