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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 27 February 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Mark Ruskell

It is also a judgment that bus drivers will have to make in compiling the evidence for various types of harassment and indecent language.

What kind of national support or guidance will there be to ensure that, regardless of whether we are talking about buses in Aberdeen, Edinburgh or anywhere else, people will have a full understanding of what the code of conduct means and what evidence will need to be gathered? At a previous meeting, Sarah Boyack raised the issue of people who have Tourette’s syndrome. Would what they say be considered indecent language?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Mark Ruskell

To be honest, I am still struggling with this. The order does not prevent violent and abusive people from getting on to buses; it only means that their entitlement card will be suspended. They could quite easily walk on to a bus and pay a fare.

I am trying to understand the relationship with the wider conditions of carriage, which apply to everybody who gets on a bus, regardless of whether they are a young person, disabled, an older person or whatever. Most bus companies—all the bus companies in Scotland, I think—have conditions of carriage and they all cover threatening, abusive, dangerous and unsafe behaviour. That seems like the nub of the problem that we are talking about.

Minister, you say that this order is completely separate to any action that operators might take in relation to conditions of carriage.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Mark Ruskell

Surely the conditions of carriage are the central issue. It is about why certain people are allowed to travel on buses and yet, potentially, they will abuse people or be rude or abusive. How is the Government dealing with that issue? That is not about what age they are or whether they have a disability; it is about whether they should allowed on buses—full stop. I am struggling to see how this measure will deter anybody who is serious about abusing people and causing a nuisance on public transport. Do you see where I am coming from?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

NatureScot (Annual Report and Accounts and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Mark Ruskell

Let us use that example again, then. Would that practice be compliant with the Bern convention?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Mark Ruskell

I respect where the minister is coming from, and I suspect that we are not that far away from each other on this, but I just cannot see the deterrent. Those people will swap cards with their friends, and they will try to get on the bus whether they have a card or not.

People who are involved in serious antisocial behaviour will do what they do. They will continue to throw stones through the windscreens of buses and they will continue to cause havoc at bus stations until we have an approach that deals with the root causes of antisocial behaviour, brings those who have been involved in criminal activities to justice, and deals with some of the underlying causes. I am sorry, but I do not see the order as part of the mix. I will not stand in its way, but I will not vote for it.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Mark Ruskell

Convener, I would like to ask a couple of specific questions about the code of conduct, if that is okay.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Mark Ruskell

What about putting conditions on bus companies? If they benefit from this scheme, they should not be, say, cutting rural bus services. What about that kind of conditionality?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

NatureScot (Annual Report and Accounts and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Mark Ruskell

So, you are not taking a lead on public access.

I turn to the subject of species licensing. It would be good to know exactly where you are with the species licensing review: what the headlines are coming out of it, and when we expect the review to be signed off.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

NatureScot (Annual Report and Accounts and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Mark Ruskell

Have you assessed the compliance of species licensing with international law and international conventions? I will give you an example of that. It did not get a lot of scrutiny, but an amendment to the Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill was passed that effectively allows the recreational hunting of mountain hares through falconry. The Parliament has approved that, but it begs the question whether that is compliant with international law. I am interested about the species licensing that you come under some political pressure to deliver. Who does the assessment, and is it compliant with international law? Is that you or ESS that does that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

NatureScot (Annual Report and Accounts and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Mark Ruskell

Let me ask you a straight question. When you were doing the species licensing review, did you review whether species licences that are currently issued by NatureScot are legally compliant with international law and conventions?