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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 22 February 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Mark Ruskell

I think that the deputy convener has covered some of the areas that I wanted to go into, and I listened to the responses.

I have only one question. I noticed that the responses to the consultation were quite divided—environmental non-governmental organisations were not really supportive of the measure and there were some concerns from the fishing sector as well, but the renewable energy sector was very supportive. Given what you have described in relation to the hierarchy and the need to look at the issue more strategically, how do you see those interests coming together? It is clear that the industry will probably run out of options for setting traps on islands to remove invasive species.

There will be a need for serious investment in ecological restoration across the seas, which will require environmental non‑governmental organisations and others coming to the table, working with the industry and coming up with some really big ideas that go way beyond what is being discussed at the moment. How do you ensure that that input is there and that you are not just having a circular conversation with the industry?

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Mark Ruskell

That was the view that I got when I spoke to Engender about the issue in relation to violence against women and girls. It was surprised that sexual harassment is not spelled out in the code.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Mark Ruskell

It is also a judgment that bus drivers will have to make in compiling the evidence for various types of harassment and indecent language.

What kind of national support or guidance will there be to ensure that, regardless of whether we are talking about buses in Aberdeen, Edinburgh or anywhere else, people will have a full understanding of what the code of conduct means and what evidence will need to be gathered? At a previous meeting, Sarah Boyack raised the issue of people who have Tourette’s syndrome. Would what they say be considered indecent language?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Mark Ruskell

To be honest, I am still struggling with this. The order does not prevent violent and abusive people from getting on to buses; it only means that their entitlement card will be suspended. They could quite easily walk on to a bus and pay a fare.

I am trying to understand the relationship with the wider conditions of carriage, which apply to everybody who gets on a bus, regardless of whether they are a young person, disabled, an older person or whatever. Most bus companies—all the bus companies in Scotland, I think—have conditions of carriage and they all cover threatening, abusive, dangerous and unsafe behaviour. That seems like the nub of the problem that we are talking about.

Minister, you say that this order is completely separate to any action that operators might take in relation to conditions of carriage.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Mark Ruskell

Surely the conditions of carriage are the central issue. It is about why certain people are allowed to travel on buses and yet, potentially, they will abuse people or be rude or abusive. How is the Government dealing with that issue? That is not about what age they are or whether they have a disability; it is about whether they should allowed on buses—full stop. I am struggling to see how this measure will deter anybody who is serious about abusing people and causing a nuisance on public transport. Do you see where I am coming from?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

NatureScot (Annual Report and Accounts and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Mark Ruskell

Let us use that example again, then. Would that practice be compliant with the Bern convention?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Mark Ruskell

I respect where the minister is coming from, and I suspect that we are not that far away from each other on this, but I just cannot see the deterrent. Those people will swap cards with their friends, and they will try to get on the bus whether they have a card or not.

People who are involved in serious antisocial behaviour will do what they do. They will continue to throw stones through the windscreens of buses and they will continue to cause havoc at bus stations until we have an approach that deals with the root causes of antisocial behaviour, brings those who have been involved in criminal activities to justice, and deals with some of the underlying causes. I am sorry, but I do not see the order as part of the mix. I will not stand in its way, but I will not vote for it.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Mark Ruskell

Convener, I would like to ask a couple of specific questions about the code of conduct, if that is okay.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Mark Ruskell

What about putting conditions on bus companies? If they benefit from this scheme, they should not be, say, cutting rural bus services. What about that kind of conditionality?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

NatureScot (Annual Report and Accounts and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Mark Ruskell

So, you are not taking a lead on public access.

I turn to the subject of species licensing. It would be good to know exactly where you are with the species licensing review: what the headlines are coming out of it, and when we expect the review to be signed off.