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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 4 July 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Mark Ruskell

I note that the two chemicals in question have an impact on human health. The notes say that UV-328 is

“toxic for mammals, endangering human health and the environment (causing damage to liver and kidney),”

while dechlorane affects the nervous system of aquatic animals. It is right, therefore, that those chemicals are being phased out.

Although I accept the Government’s approach and the representations that have been made by the medical industry, I note that those two chemicals will be prohibited in the European Union in autumn 2025. I am content to accept the regulations, but I would like to know whether the chemicals will be phased out on a similar timescale to that of the EU’s. Given that the chemicals have an impact on the environment and human health, phasing them out is the right thing to do.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Mark Ruskell

I will go to Jan Rosenow.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Mark Ruskell

Does Mark Symes want to chip in on this?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Mark Ruskell

I am interested in the definition of blue hydrogen as low carbon. That depends on carbon capture and storage being in place and working at a certain efficiency. I am interested in whether you see that as achievable, given that Acorn has not yet been constructed, and whether the capture rates that are predicted for Acorn have been replicable in other CCS commercial plants around the world. If the Acorn project happens, how much certainty is there that you will end up with blue hydrogen and that it will be a low-carbon product, or is there uncertainty about whether what eventually comes out of that process will be low-carbon enough?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Mark Ruskell

Thanks.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Mark Ruskell

The session has been really enlightening so far. We have already had some discussion about sustainable aviation fuel and thermal generation as back-up, as well as the role of hydrogen in relation to that, but I want to return to the questions that I asked the first panel of witnesses about the hydrogen ladder or hierarchy. Do you think that there are particular sectors within that hierarchy on which it makes sense to focus investment? Are there sectors that face challenges? In particular, we talked about where domestic heating sits. I am also interested in what the international picture is in relation to some of those sectors.

I invite Jan Rosenow to answer first.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Mark Ruskell

I want to go back to the issue of the export market to EU countries and the status of blue hydrogen in that mix. If blue hydrogen is going for export, will there be countries that want to buy it? Does it have integrity as a low-carbon form of hydrogen or are the market rules already shifting towards green hydrogen? How long will that blue hydrogen export market exist, does it have integrity now and will it continue to have integrity in the future?

All the witnesses are nodding; I will go to Simon Gill first.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Mark Ruskell

Thank you very much—that is very useful.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Mark Ruskell

Coming back to the sectors that you think will be using hydrogen in the future, I note that the Climate Change Committee does not believe that hydrogen will have a significant role to play in relation to surface transport and is sceptical about its role in domestic heating. You talked earlier about thermal generation potentially using green hydrogen in the future, but as we understand it, SSE has no plans to take Peterhead to hydrogen and use it there.

I know that we are still in the early stages, but I am interested in hearing your thoughts on the sectors where you think that hydrogen has an application. Also, do you recognise the hydrogen hierarchy—that is, the hydrogen ladder of use? Is it accepted that that broadly reflects where the investment potential is and where we can get the greatest decarbonisation for the use of blue—or possibly green—hydrogen in the future? Graeme, do you want to start?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Mark Ruskell

You mentioned the storage scenario in summer, when there is lower demand for heat pumps and more capacity to store energy, but is the real issue not the fact that we need a basket of technologies with regard to electrification? The storage challenge becomes less of an issue if we are thinking about system-wide resilience across the entire year, with different balancing. However, I am also thinking of a situation in which someone with an air-source heat pump in their home is asking why they would also install a separate system that uses a different technology, such as hydrogen.