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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 3 July 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Mark Ruskell

I would like to go into a little bit more detail in this area. You will be aware that section 3 of the bill spells out the purposes for which ministers might use powers to amend both the EIA legislation and the habitats regulations. As you have already alluded to, the purposes, which are covered in sections 3(a) to 3(f), are pretty extensive, and I want to ask about a couple of them.

The purpose that is set out in section 3(b), which you have already touched on, is

“to facilitate progress toward any statutory target relating to the environment, climate or biodiversity that applies in Scotland ... including, in particular ... net zero”.

I am interested in getting some more thoughts on that, particularly in relation to the way that the habitats regulations currently operate, because I understand that a public interest test can be applied in that regard. I am interested in your thoughts generally on that purpose and on how the habitats regulations interpret other existential environmental concerns, such as climate change, and how that public interest test works. Does it work, or is there a case for reform? Is there an inherent conflict with what Governments are trying to do in relation to climate and nature?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Mark Ruskell

On the back of that, I am interested in your thoughts on just transition. There are sectors of the economy that will have to change substantially, such as scallop dredging inshore and livestock production in areas where, if there was herbivore reduction, we could see large-scale nature restoration and woodland creation. There are difficult economic issues about how those sectors will transition away from what they are currently doing and take the jobs and skills with them—with people and with communities.

Is there enough of a focus? I think that one of the subject areas for targets that was dropped was citizen engagement, which, for me, is about just transition. There are some thorny issues in here around action and what prevents action. I am interested in your perspectives, looking at environmental change as academics, on where you see that societal change process and how you facilitate that—or is that more of a subject for colleagues in other departments?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Mark Ruskell

Okay, but this is not a bill about environmental governance; it does not touch on environmental courts or other routes to justice. There is nothing in the bill on that subject—there are no powers in it around that.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Mark Ruskell

So, you have not had anything back from the minister. It is probably a question that we need to ask him when he appears before us.

I want to ask about the targets that are there. With regard to the marine environment, it is quite easy to make designations, but it is a very different thing to put in place the action to enforce them and to change behaviour, particularly in relation to fishing and similar operations. I am interested in your thoughts on the mismatch between making designations over a lot of Scotland but then not following through with action. Do we have the right to enforce that action on the back of designation, or are we just going to sit there looking at a whole lot of lines on the map and think, “Great, we’ve done it”? Beth Scott, do you want to come in on this? It is a pertinent issue with regard to the marine environment.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Zero Waste Scotland

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Mark Ruskell

Yes, thanks.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Zero Waste Scotland

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Mark Ruskell

Does that concern you?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Zero Waste Scotland

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Mark Ruskell

I sense that before the review that Colin Church did, there was not much in the way of planning for that capacity. His review mapped out the opportunities as well as some of the concerns. Do you get a sense that there is a plan for the strategic use of incineration in Scotland held by, presumably, the Government or local authorities working together, or anywhere really? Does anybody have a plan for 2028? What happens to redundant or excess incinerator capacity? How will it be managed?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Zero Waste Scotland

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Mark Ruskell

Looking across the EU at the even bigger picture, are there particular areas in which we are in complete alignment at the moment? Are there areas in which we are perhaps falling behind a bit? Where are we sitting on alignment? I presume that you have this conversation fairly regularly with Environmental Standards Scotland, which maintains the monitoring of alignment. I am interested to know where you think the dial is on alignment between us and Europe.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Zero Waste Scotland

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Mark Ruskell

Are there particular areas in which the work of Zero Waste Scotland is leading in the UK context? Are there any colleagues down south saying that there have been leads on particular issues—the deposit return scheme, say—that they can learn from?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Zero Waste Scotland

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Mark Ruskell

Would you say that a lot of the evidence and prioritisation is the same across the UK? There might be differences in how policies are implemented, but everybody is facing the same issues, such as the big priorities that are in the circular economy plan—how we deal with construction waste, reduce reliance on incineration and so on. Are the problems common everywhere?