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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 14 September 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Air Quality

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Mark Ruskell

SEPA has section 85 powers and enforcement powers, but we also heard evidence that it is involved in local air quality management groups on the ground. Do you see that role as important? If SEPA is involved in developing plans on the ground, do you see the potential for conflict? SEPA obviously has expertise and can give scientific advice, but it is also an enforcement agency. What should SEPA’s role be in the future? Do you see a conflict?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Air Quality

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Mark Ruskell

That is very disciplined of you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Air Quality

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Mark Ruskell

My final question is about local development plans. They are obviously on a continual rolling cycle of revision and development. Did you look at whether LDPs are broadly compliant with the air quality limits that we have? Are there any concerns around that process about how they are developed?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Air Quality

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Mark Ruskell

Further to the previous question, I know that Transport Scotland is responsible for procurement of trains, and I note that, in relation to the decarbonisation programme, there has been quite a lot of concern about the continual use of high-speed trains on the ScotRail network, not just from a carbon perspective, but from an air pollution perspective and, as the unions have highlighted, a safety perspective, too. When it looks at such big procurements—that is, the big leasing of trains over a number of years—how does Transport Scotland take air quality into account? Is that baked into the process? After all, it is clearly an area where Transport Scotland is responsible.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Air Quality

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Mark Ruskell

A number of members are interested in monitoring. I am aware that there is a current Scottish Government review into provision of data monitoring. To go back to the vulnerable people in our society who could be most affected by poor air quality—even poor air quality that is compliant with legal limits—is there an understanding of what proportion of schools and hospitals are currently covered in Scotland by air quality monitoring? What investment might be needed to ensure that all the appropriate schools and hospitals are covered?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Air Quality

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Mark Ruskell

Cabinet secretary, I want to ask you about ESS’s views on the review cycle for the air quality action plans. I think that you have decided to stick with the five-year review cycle, but ESS has said that it does not think that that is consistent with the aim of achieving compliance in

“as short a time as possible”.

Can you say more about why the Government has decided to align itself with a five-year review cycle rather than something shorter?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Air Quality

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Mark Ruskell

In the previous session, Fiona Hyslop talked about the need to move rapidly to tackle air quality, particularly given the nature of vulnerable groups, young people and older people, and pointed out that five years is a long time in someone’s lifetime. Five years can be a long time for councils, too. Local development plans and development proposals can come and go; bus companies can pull out of certain investments; and other things can come forward. A lot can happen in five years in the life of a plan in any area in Scotland. Do you not think that, in that context, five years could be too long and that councils could quite quickly find their plans out of date and overtaken by events on the ground?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Air Quality

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Mark Ruskell

Convener, I do not know whether other members want to come in before I move on to my next question.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Air Quality

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Mark Ruskell

In your initial comments, you mentioned the Scottish Government’s response in updating the policy guidance as welcome, but is that enough to drive compliance? Is that the Government’s central tool?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Air Quality

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Mark Ruskell

If air quality limits change, as they might do if the Scottish Government remains aligned with the European Union, that might open up other areas, which potentially would breach air quality limits. Does the review of the current monitoring network look at how the limits might change over time and how that might bring in more communities? Is a weighting given to vulnerability within that? Does the air quality monitoring review look at the need to particularly identify the most vulnerable people in our society?