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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 14 September 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Mark Ruskell

Why are the goals for 2030 and 2045 not in the bill?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Mark Ruskell

It is nice to have, but it is not something that you want to be held to account for.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Mark Ruskell

It is a little bit concerning to hear at stage 1 that there is an on-going conversation with DEFRA about the application of the law, but we will have several months over the summer to see what situation emerges.

We took evidence from the Joint Nature Conservation Committee, which is responsible for nature conservation on a four-nations basis. Its view is that we should amend these powers “with very great caution” and that we would make wholesale changes “at our peril”. There is clearly concern among agencies and those who are monitoring the state of nature in this country about any powers in this section.

I will leave it there just now, but that is food for thought.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Mark Ruskell

That is about a very small area, but the provisions in part 2 of the bill are extremely wide and give ministers the power to gut the habitats regulations should they choose to do so. Nevertheless, I will focus on that very specific example. My understanding is—and the answers that we got from NatureScot the other week suggest—that it is possible to change the designation to effectively redesignate sites if that is required. Under regulation 9D of the Conservation (Natural Habitats, &c) (EU Exit) (Scotland) (Amendment) Regulations 2019, there is a duty on the Scottish ministers to “adapt” the site network.

I appreciate Stewart Cunningham’s comment that your interpretation is that you cannot legally do that. However, the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs has just published guidance to change regulations to enable site boundaries and features to be amended. Why is DEFRA wrong and why are you right?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Mark Ruskell

Compared with environmental outcome reports, which are embedded in the UK Planning and Infrastructure Bill, does our current system of environmental assessment work when it comes to the nascent technologies of marine and tidal? Is there a need to fix anything in that space?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Mark Ruskell

Perhaps developed indicators could be the trigger.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Mark Ruskell

You will avoid the need to use section 8 because section 7 and section 6 will work more effectively. Is that right?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Mark Ruskell

Does Ms Wilson want to come in?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Mark Ruskell

We have largely covered the difference between the EIA and the environmental outcome report regimes. The EOR regime is not up and running yet, but if there was a need for alignment there, would the Government consider issuing guidance before using the powers under part 2?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Mark Ruskell

But would you be up for reflecting in some form somewhere in the bill the international commitments that the Government has signed up to?