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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 23 October 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Mark Ruskell

Okay. I will leave my questions there.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Mark Ruskell

We are considering a carbon budget to replace the previous interim targets for climate change. What is your analysis of Scotland’s contribution? Is it about right? Are there areas in which we could go faster? Is there a moral imperative to go faster, given our contribution to industrial emissions globally? I am interested in your thoughts, as climate scientists, on where you see Scotland sitting, particularly given the carbon budget that is before us this morning. Ellie Murtagh, do you want to come in on that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Mark Ruskell

Are other countries around the world, in the early adopter space, seeing advantages of being the first mover, or is everybody sitting back and saying, “We don’t want a competitive disadvantage?”

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Mark Ruskell

Thank you.

09:00  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Mark Ruskell

Would the level of adaptation investment differ substantially between a world at 2° of global warming and a world at 3° of global warming? Is there a point at which the level of adaptation investment infrastructure becomes markedly different, or are we just talking about deeper solutions continuing with the plans that are already in place, but going further?

I am mindful that we have invested in flood management schemes in Scotland that have been based on one-in-200-year events, which are now being downgraded to, in effect, one-in-50-year events. Where should we pitch adaptation in public policy? Is it that 3° world or a 2° world? We heard earlier that 1.5° is gone now. What is the best estimate of where we are going to land?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Mark Ruskell

Gabi, do you want to come in first?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Mark Ruskell

I will be brief, convener. I am aware that there is quite a lot of uncertainty around peatlands and their impact on climate. Do they store carbon or release it? A bigger issue might be blue carbon in the seas and in wetlands. What is the state of the climate science on blue carbon? Are we turning a blind eye to a far greater source of carbon on which Governments could and perhaps should be intervening?

Who would like to offer a last comment on that? As I understand it, blue carbon is not part of the greenhouse gas inventory. Gabi Hegerl?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Mark Ruskell

Is that not a danger, though, if nobody is looking at it or it is not being adequately considered, because that could throw out our estimates of what is needed? Perhaps it could help us if only we understood it more? I do not know. I think that Fabrice Renaud mentioned blue carbon very briefly in an earlier answer. I will give him the final word.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Mark Ruskell

Cabinet secretary, you mentioned your role in the previous parliamentary session. We served together on the Environment, Climate Change and Land Reform Committee, so you will be aware of how things panned out at the end of that session. That committee and a range of other parliamentary committees came to a view on the climate change plan, and Parliament made more than 80 recommendations to the Government. Although the Government reflected on and made a decision on some of those recommendations, a vast number of them were left to the new Government to make a decision on.

Will things pan out in the same way with the upcoming climate change plan? Will it be the case that, although the Government will be able to reflect on some of the recommendations that this committee and other committees make ahead of the election, you will pass many of them on to the next Government, whoever that might be, so that it can make a decision on the final plan and the content of that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Mark Ruskell

Cabinet secretary, you mentioned the challenge of securing a majority in Parliament for some relatively simple measures to tackle climate change. One policy for which you had, and still have, a majority is the proposed regulations on upgrading properties at the point of sale, as part of the heat in buildings bill. That policy was lauded by the Climate Change Committee, which suggested that it would be a template for the rest of the UK. Scotland was leading on that, and you had a majority for it. Is it still possible to meet the low-carbon heat objectives without some form of mandatory requirement?