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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 12 January 2026
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Kenneth Gibson

I appreciate that. I understand that the Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee takes evidence from the ombudsman, for example, as I was on that committee. However, the corporate body provides the cash and I think that questions need to be asked about what is happening in the structure of the organisations that means that they need significant increases in funding.

I did not mention the Information Commissioner, because we know that a tidal wave of freedom of information requests have come to it, so one could say that the figures for it are reasonable, but for other organisations, I struggle to see the justification for some of the figures. That seems to apply across the board, with the exception of the Ethical Standards Commissioner, where the increase is 2.5 per cent. However, the rest are well above inflation.

Every other front-line service is likely to face challenge when the draft budget comes out, so it seems that office-holders are almost immune to the same pressures that everyone else in the public sector faces.

10:00  

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Kenneth Gibson

Since no other colleagues wish to contribute to the debate, I invite the minister to wind up.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Kenneth Gibson

The point that I am trying to make is that, rather than have a 5 per cent vacancy rate, would you not be better to say that we will have 5 per cent fewer staff? Basically, you would base the figure on what is required by each department and then, when a vacancy comes up, you would fill it as soon as you can, as is normal in most organisations, one would have thought.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Kenneth Gibson

You have a 7.1 per cent turnover, so, if there is a 5 per cent vacancy rate, a wee sum in my head suggests that the average vacancy is about eight months long. Is that right? That is how it reads to me.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Kenneth Gibson

The SPCB did not really touch on this issue in its report, so I am wondering how it works with the Scottish Government on what the Government has described as

“a managed downward trajectory for the devolved public sector workforce in Scotland (0.5 per cent per annum on average over the next five years)”.

That seems to me to be incredibly modest compared with what you are delivering on the vacancy rate, which effectively means that you are permanently operating at 95 per cent capacity.

09:45  

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Kenneth Gibson

Are you happy about the cost, though? Three hundred thousand pounds per committee room seems to be an awful lot of money.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Kenneth Gibson

Right. Let us go on to office-bearers, which I know is always the most exciting part of the session in some ways. Thank you for providing us with some detail on that, albeit in four-point, which must be the smallest typeface that I have ever seen in the Parliament. Nevertheless, I got my magnifying glass out and was able to read some of the detail.

I take on board a lot of what you have said about the Electoral Commission for next year. Let us look at other office-bearers: there is a 9.4 per cent increase for the Standards Commission for Scotland, a 6.2 per cent increase for the Biometrics Commissioner, an 8.9 per cent increase for the Scottish Commission for Human Rights and a 7.1 per cent increase for the Scottish Public Services Ombudsman. We know fine well that, when the draft budget comes out next week, it is unlikely that any area of front-line service will get anywhere near those kinds of increases. One or two might—one never knows—but it seems to me that, yet again, increases for those office-holders are well above inflation.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Kenneth Gibson

For some of those organisations, staff salaries account for about 80 per cent of spend. In future years, it would be interesting to see detail on what has been rejected and why they need additional funding, as we see only the bare figures.

The cost of salaries at the Scottish Public Services Ombudsman went up from £6.437 million to £6.770 million. I looked at how many staff it has, and found that it has a whole-time equivalent of 80 staff. That means that the average salary is £80,000 per year. I do not know who is employed there, but some folk will be doing fairly mundane jobs and some will be in senior positions. That seems like an awfully high average salary for such an organisation.

Incidentally, it deals with about 5,000 cases per year, so, looking at its total budget, that means it costs about £1,500 per case. Some of the cases might be detailed, but when I think about the myriad cases that members’ offices deal with daily—and there are dozens every day, never mind how many we get each week or in a year—I wonder at the huge staff complement that it has to deal with a relatively small number of cases; it deals with 1.5 cases per week, per person.

I am picking at that organisation, but it seems that one organisation each year has an inflation-busting increase in its budget, and most of the costs seem to be related to salary. The cost of that organisation is now going to be £8.5 million.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Kenneth Gibson

The budget proposal lists salaries as costing £130,000, which includes 1.33 of a G2 post, at between £30,000 and £32,000 a year. Incidentally, the budget line is for “direct salaries”, not employer costs and so on. The amount includes a manager’s pay as well as overtime costs. I am wondering when there is overtime work, because the shop does not seem to be open that much; it is not open seven days a week or anything like that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Kenneth Gibson

That is only three days a week.