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Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 28 October 2025
Kenneth Gibson
Do they want to come and work over here?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 28 October 2025
Kenneth Gibson
We have not read your paper yet because it was emailed out only half an hour ago and we have been taking evidence. We have not had a chance to read it.
As well as a recommendation of having two years for inquiries, you talked about them staying within budget. I take it therefore that, when inquiries are set up, a budget is allocated.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 28 October 2025
Kenneth Gibson
Cheery as always, John. [Laughter.]
I want to follow up on a point that Liz Smith made about judge-led inquiries. An interesting point that came out of the previous evidence session was that, in Australia, the judges are retired. Here in Scotland, they are not retired, generally speaking, and, as a result, 10 per cent of our judges are involved in public inquiries, which means that trials and so on are delayed. That has an impact on the justice system and, indeed, on justice for people who are involved in the trials, including victims and relatives. I wonder whether you think that we should adopt that approach for our inquiries. Should judges, assuming that they are available, be retired or should they be serving judges?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 28 October 2025
Kenneth Gibson
Welcome to the 28th meeting in 2025 of the Finance and Public Administration Committee. Ross Greer sends his apologies and will join us when he can.
The first item on our agenda is to take evidence from two panels of witnesses on the cost effectiveness of Scottish public inquiries, looking specifically at international examples and comparisons. I am delighted to say that, for our first panel, we are joined remotely by Professor Carl Dahlström, professor of political science, University of Gothenburg, Sweden; and Dr Scott Prasser, a public policy consultant and commentator from Australia. I welcome you both to the meeting and thank you for taking the time to speak to the committee about your experience and knowledge of public inquiries in your jurisdictions. We will move straight to questions.
Good morning to you, Professor Dahlström. I note that, in your report “Public inquiries in Sweden and Norway”, you say that public inquiries are initiated by the Swedish Cabinet by issuing a commission directive. You say:
“This outlines the inquiry’s terms of reference, specifies the type of inquiry to be held, identifies the issue to be investigated, and sets a closing date.”
Are those terms generally stuck to?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 28 October 2025
Kenneth Gibson
Thank you for that.
One issue that we have, and which I will go into a wee bit more in a moment, is that there seem to be no cost controls or time limits on our inquiries. It is causing great concern. For example, one inquiry—the Sheku Bayoh inquiry—has been going for six years now; it has cost at least £51 million so far, with no end in sight. In fact, the judge chairing that inquiry resigned just last week. In England, we are having difficulties with the grooming inquiry, which has cost £186 million so far and is also having difficulty with chairs resigning et cetera. Therefore, I am interested in finding out how you in Sweden manage to ensure that inquiries are not only timeous and completed at a relatively modest cost, it seems, but still seem to be widely appreciated and accepted by the general public.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 28 October 2025
Kenneth Gibson
I note that Olof Palme’s Government in 1982 was keen to restrict timeframes to two years and yet, ironically, the investigation into his own murder appears, at 57 months, to have been the longest inquiry in Sweden. That is interesting in itself.
Dr Prasser, you have had a number of inquiries in Australia. We have received a document from you that shows quite a seesaw in the number of inquiries over the eight Governments that you looked at. Over the period from the Menzies Government to the Albanese Government, there were 27 under Labor and 27 under the Liberals and National Party. Is there any real difference in the approach by the different Governments in Australia?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 28 October 2025
Kenneth Gibson
We have heard from a number of witnesses that interim reports from inquiries would be helpful, not least to ensure that people do not wait until the end of an inquiry to implement any improvements. Some witnesses who have been the subject of inquiries—or whose organisations have—have said that they work to improve things as they as they go along.
Looking both at the New Zealand experience and approach to public inquiries and at Scotland and the UK, what advantages, if any, does the New Zealand system have that we could benefit or learn from?
11:00Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 28 October 2025
Kenneth Gibson
Generally, are recommendations in New Zealand implemented timeously, or is it very much a mixed bag?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 28 October 2025
Kenneth Gibson
Thank you. Professor Dahlström, do you want to come in?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 28 October 2025
Kenneth Gibson
Thank you very much for that. I will move on now to other colleagues.