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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Kenneth Gibson

That is interesting.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Kenneth Gibson

In the great scheme of things, it will not be decisive on 4 July. Maybe I am wrong about that—you never know.

We have looked at the commissioner landscape quite extensively. Last week, we took evidence from the SPCB, which seems to be of the view that it does not have the remit or the capacity to hold commissioners properly to account. There was a feeling—I do not know whether my colleagues felt it, but I certainly did; it was palpable—of exasperation among SPCB members, because their responsibilities in this area are growing, and they do not feel that they have the ability to do it justice. Where do you see the SPCB’s role in relation to the commissioner landscape lying in the future?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Kenneth Gibson

That is interesting, because it seems to me that, if there is an advocacy commissioner, an organisation basically advocates through them, instead of advocating directly with ministers or the Parliament. Essentially, that post just adds a middleman. Do you think that that is a fair assessment?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I am talking about both.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Does the Government have a view on why organisations are proposing commissioners, whether for older people or neurodivergent people? It has been suggested to us that that is because of a systemic lack of service delivery or because ministers are not giving enough attention to a specific area. Obviously, that is an indictment of Government. Does the Government have a view on that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Kenneth Gibson

We have talked a lot about scrutiny. One of the issues that we have not talked about directly is sunset clauses. It has been suggested that post-implementation reviews should be carried out, along with periodic reviews, to assess whether the office holder is still relevant and required. That is not just about scrutiny on a day-to-day basis; rather, it is about whether we still need a given commissioner. The post might have been set up with a bit of verve and passion and a desire to get things done, but after 10 or 20 years—perhaps even after five years—the office might seem to be just plodding along. What is the end game for commissioners? It seems that once they are established they are with us permanently; that seems to be the situation so far. If that is not the case, sunset clauses could be brought in for new commissioners, but what about existing commissioners? Will there be any reviews to look at whether they should continue indefinitely?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Indeed.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Kenneth Gibson

No, but where should the SPCB fit in?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I mean enhancements of how the scrutiny of commissioners function is undertaken.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I am getting the feeling that you are of the view that the Government does not have a lot to say on this. What is the Government’s overall role in relation to commissioners? You talked about the ones that the Government is proposing, but, as for others, you said in your opening statement that that is up to the Parliament. Do you feel that the Government should have no role in that, even to encourage or discourage?