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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 November 2025
Kenneth Gibson
Hazel, in your submission, you said:
“BEFS wishes to highlight its position that not enough action is being taken in policy and practice to promote the productive reuse of vacant and derelict buildings and brownfield land, including for housing.”
Would the proposed levy be a stimulus for that?
Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 November 2025
Kenneth Gibson
Over the years, the committee has pushed for that, and I am pleased to say that there have been some changes in that regard.
Colleagues are keen to come in.
Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 November 2025
Kenneth Gibson
We continue our evidence taking on the Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill. I welcome to the meeting Hazel Johnson, director of Built Environment Forum Scotland; Anna Gardiner, senior policy adviser at Scottish Land & Estates; and Josie Sclater, senior policy officer at the Scottish Property Federation. Thank you, everyone, for your written submissions.
I refer people to my entry in the register of members’ interests.
As with the previous panel, we have approximately an hour for this evidence session, so I will move straight to questions.
Hazel, your submission is somewhat different from everyone else’s, as you say:
“An appropriate levy on future residential builds is a logical route for setting foundations to protect people from this situation, in which defects are discovered years or decades after construction, but public bodies, owners and other stakeholders do not have access to the level of resources required to deal with them.”
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 28 October 2025
Kenneth Gibson
We do not have select committees. Do you mean a parliamentary committee?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 28 October 2025
Kenneth Gibson
Fine. I am happy with that.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 28 October 2025
Kenneth Gibson
It does make sense. Organisations and lawyers representing the families of victims and so on put on pressure to have judge-led inquiries because that is perceived as the gold standard. We are now in a situation whereby, if a judge does not lead an inquiry, it almost devalues it even before it starts. That is the public perception. We have heard from other witnesses how effective non-judge-led inquiries can be but, if the public is not listening to that and if the people who feel that they have been wronged and on whose behalf the inquiry is being held do not accept that, it is difficult. That does not mean that it should not be a retired judge as opposed to a judge who is serving. That would, hopefully, stop some of the bottlenecks in the court system that result from judge-led inquiries.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 28 October 2025
Kenneth Gibson
As John Mason pointed out—it was in the report that we had from Professor Dahlström—the Swedish Covid inquiry started in June 2020 and had produced a report within a matter of months. Do you feel that adopting an early approach, when a problem is building, is needed? In this country, we sometimes find that things come out of the blue—disasters can happen; I mentioned Piper Alpha earlier, for example. However, sometimes things build and build. As you said, with Covid, everyone knew that there would be an inquiry into the pandemic. Did you feel that starting that was perhaps delayed too long in Scotland and in the UK?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 28 October 2025
Kenneth Gibson
Thank you for that. One of the significant points made in your report is that Government offices provide
“administrative services to commissions of inquiry. These services include fully furnished office rooms, IT and telecommunications equipment, and information and advice on administrative matters and archives”.
From our perspective, that sounds like a remarkably sensible approach, given that, often, when we have inquiries we have to reinvent the wheel. Before an inquiry can kick off, it can take many months not only to find an appropriate chair but to find premises and get a secretariat together. How impactful is that set-up on the ability in Sweden to make sure that commissions start promptly and also rein in costs?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 28 October 2025
Kenneth Gibson
Finally, although you are not allowed to compel witnesses under the Swedish system, is there a feeling that people, although not compelled to attend, generally do so? The implication is that perhaps one or two vital witnesses in the Estonian inquiry decided not to give evidence. Is that the case? One would have thought that, even though people are not compelled to attend, the general pressure would mean that they feel obliged to participate.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 28 October 2025
Kenneth Gibson
We move to our second panel on the cost-effectiveness of Scottish public inquiries. I welcome Wendy McGuinness, who is the chief executive of the McGuinness Institute in New Zealand. Will you tell us a wee bit about yourself, Wendy?