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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 June 2024

Kenneth Gibson

It remains to be seen whether the Government will proceed with those commissioners. You talk about there being a community of disabled people, but there is a vast array of disabilities and a colossal number of people in Scotland have one disability or more. How would a commissioner prioritise? There are many groups that advocate for specific types of disability, as we all know. A commissioner could suddenly have an incredibly wide range of organisations, people and issues to deal with.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 June 2024

Kenneth Gibson

On the overall picture, the SPCB has raised concerns with us about the proportion of its budget that is being used to pay commissioners and fund these bodies. As you know, the budget has increased from about £16.2 million to £18.2 million in the current financial year. The proposed disability commissioner would add to that, even if the fairly modest figures in the financial memorandum are accurate. Jeremy Balfour said earlier that funding is a political choice. Does that mean that the Scottish Parliament’s budget should be increased, or do you think that other areas of the Scottish Parliament should have to cut their cloth in order to fit in the commissioner and others?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 June 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you very much. I thank you and the officials for the evidence that you have given this morning.

The next item on our agenda, which is a consideration of our work programme, will be discussed in private.

10:36 Meeting continued in private until 10:58.  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 June 2024

Kenneth Gibson

It is 23 months, not 15, so there is still a wee bit of time.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 June 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I will follow up on just a couple of points from colleagues’ questions. You raised a couple of issues. First, you talked about day centres not reopening after Covid. I know that that is a concern but, in my area and others, people say that that is due to a shortage of staff and cash resources.

Secondly, you raised the practical issue of people being unable to leave their homes because the council focuses on arterial routes—which, obviously, it has to do for emergency services, public transport and enabling people to get to work. In our area—and, I am sure, in many others—grit bins have been put in the streets, so that some people can at least grit the areas in front of their homes.

How would either of those issues be improved by a disability commissioner? Even if he or she highlighted them, it would not make a material difference on the ground. For example, on the snow issue, the local authority will not necessarily have more depots full of trucks and salt and staff to put the stuff out on the streets. It is one thing to highlight an issue, but, as Jamie Halcro Johnston pointed out, how do you change the outcomes?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 June 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Good morning, and welcome to the 23rd meeting in 2024 of the Finance and Public Administration Committee. The only public item on our agenda is to take evidence on the financial memorandum for the Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill. We are joined by Jeremy Balfour, the member in charge of the bill. He is accompanied by Nick Hawthorne, senior clerk, and Liz Anderson, assistant clerk, both of whom are from the non-Government bills unit. I welcome Jeremy to the meeting and invite him to make a short opening statement.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 June 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I am intrigued as to why you think a commissioner should be established for a period of up to eight years. Why was that time period selected?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 June 2024

Kenneth Gibson

So it was not specific to the bill.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 June 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Is it not the role of councillors, MSPs and MPs to advocate for constituents who are disabled and to work with community organisations and others to advocate for their rights? One issue in our inquiry on the commissioner landscape has been complexity and duplication, and there are concerns that having a disability commissioner would add to the issue without delivering what you want to do—it would be just another advocacy body, rather than people being able to go directly to ministers, parliamentarians and so on. What do you say to that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 June 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Fair enough.

There is quite a big variance in the financial memorandum. Some of the evidence that we have received has suggested that the costs that it sets out are a conservative estimate with a small c. The costs vary from £574,000 to £878,000 on an on-going basis once the commissioner has been established. How robust are those figures? Disability Equality Scotland is concerned that the bill

“could have an indirect indication of reduced funding”

for the organisation as funds may be diverted to the commissioner.