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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Proposed National Outcomes

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Cat straight among the pigeons.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Proposed National Outcomes

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Kenneth Gibson

So, the subliminal message is quite clear, in your view. Alison, did you want to comment on that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Proposed National Outcomes

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Yes, sorry. One of the key points that you have set out in your submission is that

“Resources and support for capacity building across public bodies will be essential to align operations with the National Outcomes.”

What kind of “resources and support” do you think will be required to deliver that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Proposed National Outcomes

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Kenneth Gibson

In case you wonder why, apart from Liz Smith, I have asked all the questions so far, it is because members are not exactly tripping over themselves to indicate that they want to come in. Liz will come in in just a minute after one more question from me.

Sarah Davidson, you have expressed concern that the plethora of outcomes means that it is quite hard for the Government to align with them all. Should there be fewer outcomes and greater focus on those? If so, what should the priority outcomes be?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I will merge the questions on behavioural change with the taxation section, because everyone is going on to it. I kicked it off, so I have only myself to blame.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Lewis Ryder-Jones wants to come in on this point.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Okay, I will let Heather Williams respond to Liz Smith’s question and then I will let you in, Michelle.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Good morning, and welcome to the 25th meeting in 2024 of the Finance and Public Administration Committee. First, I congratulate committee members Liz Smith, Michelle Thomson and Michael Marra on winning the political hero, the back bencher of the year and, jointly, the business of politics awards at last week’s Holyrood political awards 2024. However, I am of course disappointed that colleagues did not refuse the awards in solidarity with the convener, who, through some oversight, was not nominated.

We have one public item on our agenda, which is to take evidence from two panels of witnesses on managing Scotland’s public finances, a strategic approach, as part of this year’s pre-budget scrutiny.

For the first panel, I welcome Richard Robinson, senior manager for performance audit and best value at Audit Scotland; Professor David Bell, fellow of the Royal Society of Edinburgh; and Professor David Heald, emeritus professor and honorary senior research fellow at the University of Glasgow’s Adam Smith business school.

As we have your submissions, we will move straight to questions. I will allow about 90 minutes for this session. If you wish to be brought in at any time, please indicate to the clerks and I can then bring you in. Without further ado, we will start at the very beginning, as Julie Andrews once sang.

Mr Robinson, we set out 11 questions on the Scottish Government’s priorities, and we got some very detailed and excellent answers. I thank you all for your submissions. In the second paragraph of Audit Scotland’s answer to the first question, you say:

“activities to eradicate child poverty will rely upon social security payments, education spending, well paid work in a flourishing economy, and many other factors. For the priorities to be meaningfully felt and understood in the annual budget, a clear articulation of how services and spending will work together will be required.”

Is that happening?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Kenneth Gibson

One of the interesting things that you said in your submission was:

“One high-level observation we would make on this consultation exercise is that in many cases it asks the wrong questions.”

You go on to talk about that in some detail, but can you explain why you believe that it asked the wrong questions, and what questions should have been asked?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Professor Heald, taxation is one area in which you have great expertise, and you spent a great deal of time on it in your submission. Correct me if I am wrong, but, when I read your submission, a great feeling of frustration came across. You basically said that the United Kingdom tax system is a complete mess and that the Scottish Government has not really done anything to ameliorate that. How should the Scottish Government make progress on addressing that issue?