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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I can give an example. We were at the University of Dundee and talked to life sciences people who told us that folk can earn twice as much in other parts of the world but come to Scotland because it is a nice place to live with good quality of life and where house prices are not too high. I know that people have talked about the increase in council tax but, on average, it is around £700 less than it would be for an equivalent band D property in England.

We seem to hear that nobody will want to come and invest here if we put tax up by 0.1 per cent. Professor David Bell raised the issue of loss aversion, which means that you could give someone £100 and they would just shrug their shoulders but, if you took £100 away from them, it would be the end of civilisation. Loss aversion is an issue.

My apologies. Would you like to make your own contribution to respond to my point about the balance between investing in the social contract—as the Government might call it—and having higher levels of tax?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I am sorry, but is the issue not that people want others to pay higher taxes, rather than to pay higher taxes themselves? It is the easiest thing in the world to ask people who are not earning much whether they think that those who are earning a lot should pay higher taxes, but we are looking at how that would impact on the Scottish budget and the Scottish economy.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Proposed National Outcomes

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Kenneth Gibson

An argument could be made for having a plethora of commissioners for a number of areas, in order to have a specific relationship or an overview of one specific area. However, it is surely the role of MSPs and parliamentary committees to scrutinise that, backed up by the huge number of civil servants that we have. It is more about emphasising the importance of the national performance framework within the Scottish Government to ensure that it gets the appropriate scrutiny and so on that it requires. Spending £1.5 million or £2 million on an extra commissioner with all the associated back office costs is £1.5 million or £2 million that you cannot spend on, for example, front-line public services.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Proposed National Outcomes

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Kenneth Gibson

As many as that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Kenneth Gibson

It is on the third page of your submission, in the second paragraph.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Kenneth Gibson

We will not bother having a structure, then. On you go.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I put that question to Allan Faulds, who has been very patient, to be followed by Michael Kellet.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Kenneth Gibson

The committee will be taking evidence on that immediately after this session, Lewis.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Your written submission states:

“The Scottish public sector is also comparatively larger than the rest of the UK and better paid with a widening gap.”

For example, 17 per cent of the workforce in England is in the public services, whereas the figure for Scotland is 22 per cent and the average salary for the same job is £2,400 higher in Scotland. Do you want that gap to be narrowed?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I thank all our guests. We have run slightly over time, but that was worthwhile to get as many contributions as possible. I hope that everyone feels that they have been listened to. We will take your views into account when we produce our pre-budget draft report.

We will continue taking evidence on the sustainability of Scotland’s finances on 1 October. Next week, we will discuss digitisation and reform with Estonian MPs, officials and relevant organisations because we are off to Estonia for a few days to address those issues.

We will take a five-minute break to allow for a change of witnesses before moving on to our next agenda item, which is about the national performance framework.

10:37 Meeting suspended.  

10:43 On resuming—