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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 6 November 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Ross Greer makes a good point. For example, 37 per cent of universal credit recipients are in work, which is perhaps not talked about as much as it should be.

Earlier, Professor Breedon and Professor Roy talked about the importance of debt and whether the 98 per cent of GDP level could go up to 150 per cent. We can think about the impact on debt interest, because the UK already pays six times more in debt interest than it spends on the NHS in Scotland in a year. Obviously, if debt goes up, interest payments go up, and it is likely that the level of interest will go up because our rating will decline. That is quite an important point.

I have a final question. Michelle Thomson touched on climate change, but your report states:

“This report does not integrate the effects of climate change or the Scottish Government’s climate change response into our projections because the data is currently unavailable.

Climate change has been deemed the most important health threat of the century.”

It goes on to talk about the impact on society and individuals of

“wetter winters, hotter, drier summers ... temperature extremes ... and frequent flooding”

and about the effects on health and wellbeing.

What discussions have you had with the Scottish Government and, perhaps through the OBR, with the UK Government to try to secure that data? In the presentation that you gave last year, you said that it would cost £186 billion, at last year’s prices, in combined funding from the public and private sectors, to deal with the climate crisis. That figure has stuck in my mind. Where are you with all of that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

When I was watching the news this morning, I found out that I have a mental illness. It was said that hoarding is apparently some kind of mental illness. I have a huge library because I have been collecting books since I was at school, so does that mean that I am a hoarder? One wonders how realistic these definitions are. The definitions might be impactful for individuals, but we have to consider the wider societal impact of how we define some of these things.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Thanks very much.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I realise that I have been asking questions for quite a while now—I apologise to colleagues for that. I will ask one more and then I will let everyone else in. There is another really interesting but depressing statistic in paragraph 4.48 in the report:

“Disability prevalence has risen from 19 per cent of the UK population in 2002-03 to 27 per cent of the population by 2022-23.”

Do your projections expect that trend to continue, to stay the same or to reverse?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I was hoping that you would. [Laughter.]

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

You talked about institutional structure. Is there any way in which that can be improved?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

It is difficult for both the OBR and the SFC, but we need to look at whether it is possible to reduce the gaps.

In your submission, you said:

“Differences in modelling approaches, data used, and judgements applied can all contribute to differences between our and the SFC’s forecasts.”

How can those differences in modelling and data use be reduced?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

You talked about timing. Obviously, that is a critical issue, and there is only so much that you can do about the gap between your forecasts and those of the Scottish Fiscal Commission. Can anything be done to tweak the timing in order to reduce those gaps?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Is one issue the fact that committees do not want stakeholders to criticise them for suggesting that money be moved within their area of responsibility? For example, it was made clear very early in the life of this Parliament that, when committees make suggestions for spending changes, they cannot just say that they want more money for education, health or whatever, because we would end up with every committee calling for more money for everything, which we are well used to seeing outside stakeholders—and the Opposition—routinely doing with budgets. For example, a health committee might not want to take money away from the hospital sector to put it into primary care. Does that inhibit the work of committees?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Thanks. That is very clear.

There are no further questions from members. Is there anything else that you wish to say that you feel that we have not touched upon? Is there anything that you would like to clarify or point out to the committee?