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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 9 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Children’s Hospices Across Scotland has raised similar concerns.

The Scottish Partnership for Palliative Care also said that

“the Bill makes no provision for the inspection and scrutiny of services providing AD, and there is consequently no cost identified in the FM”.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Sorry, Michelle Thomson wants to come in on the specific point that was just made; I will bring you in after that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Let us see whether Andy and Sandy want to answer those direct questions. I am not convinced that John will get the answers that he is looking for.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Perhaps you could touch on that when we meet in Kilbirnie on 10 January.

I thank all our witnesses for their excellent contributions, which have been very helpful to the committee. I am sorry that we could not continue for longer, but our next witness, Liam McArthur, is pacing up and down outside like an expectant father and we must start that session in a few minutes.

We will continue taking evidence on the Scottish budget for 2025-26 in the new year. I wish you all a merry and restful Christmas.

We will take a five-minute break before we restart the meeting.

11:04 Meeting suspended.  

11:11 On resuming—  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Kenneth Gibson

The next agenda item is to take evidence on the financial memorandum for the Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill from Liam McArthur, who is the member in charge of the bill. He is joined by Scottish Parliament officials Nick Hawthorne, senior clerk, and Liz Anderson, assistant clerk, from the non-Government bills unit. I wish you all good morning and welcome you to the meeting. I invite Liam McArthur to make an opening statement.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I do not think that awareness is going to be an issue, to be honest—it is going to be very high.

I note that, in the legislation that you are proposing, the provisions are not, as with the bill south of the border, limited to terminally ill people with six months or less to live. There is no six-month limit; the time period could be a year or two, which, it could be argued, would mean that someone like Chris Hoy, who is terminally ill, could be eligible. Therefore, when one looks at the numbers, they seem very much on the low side. Indeed, you are anticipating only a handful. However, although the numbers in other jurisdictions might have picked up slowly, if there is what one might call, in effect, a backlog of people, you might find quite a jump at the start. Do you not think that that might happen?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I have a few more questions to ask, but I want to open up the session to colleagues around the table.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Okay. Thank you for that. Do you want to make any final points to the committee before we wind up?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Good. I still have a few questions—[Laughter.] Thank you very much for your evidence, Liam. It is very much appreciated. We will consider the evidence that we have received and our next steps in relation to the financial memorandum at a future meeting.

Meeting closed at 12:58.  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I suppose that what we have at the moment is the best guesstimate.

I have a point on public support. Many people do not realise that the bill applies only to terminally ill people who are compos mentis. I have had constituents contact me about their granny, husband or wife who has severe dementia, and they think that it is somehow going to apply to them. It is important that we get that awareness out there, regardless of where we go.

I have just one question on an issue that has not been touched on. The issue of unintended consequences was raised on behalf of the hospice sector by Living and Dying Well, which says:

“Unless hospices are ‘AD-free zones’ the public image of the services as death houses is likely to return and with it a fall in donations. Many hospices are already facing serious financial challenges, and this legislation as written risks their funding base falling, which will result in further destabilisation of the sector.”

Will you respond to that?