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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 9 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you very much. Which of our two Alastairs wants to go next?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Kenneth Gibson

That £2.8 trillion is almost Michelle Thomson’s bank balance.

What do you think, Dr McInroy?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Kenneth Gibson

For example, some public sector departments might spend a much higher percentage on administration, if they want to call it that, than others.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Conversely, in its submission, the Scottish Partnership for Palliative Care said:

“Although assisted dying may lead to some savings ... it is important to remember that additional costs may be incurred in one service/setting whilst savings accrue elsewhere without a mechanism to redistribute funds between siloed budgets.”

It goes on to say:

“Assisted dying may be experienced as an unfunded additional demand locally, although there may be net savings across the system.”

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I think that that is taken on board. From our perspective, the issue is just that no cost has been identified.

I will ask only one more question at this point, because colleagues are keen to come in. Living and Dying Well has said that

“Some 38% of Dutch physicians have sought emotional support after approving a request for an AD, and there will likely be cases where healthcare workers in Scotland need time to recover after participating in the process”,

but the financial memorandum does not seem to provide for the cost implications of that. Obviously, if healthcare professionals are not able to work, there will be an implication for health boards.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I looked at a submission that considered costs in Canada, which suggested that £87 million was the saving in 2022. The population there is eight times that of Scotland, and it also has a different system. In Canada, 4.1 per cent of people had an assisted death, which might give you a ballpark figure.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I will bring in Claire Mack.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Time is marching on. Normally, I let these sessions run on, as colleagues will know, but the following session on the financial memorandum to the Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill is likely to be heavy, so I do not want to run on too long. I will take Alastair Florence and then, afterwards, I will allow all our guests to have a final say on any point that they wish to make that they feel has not been covered or has not been emphasised enough. I am not necessarily expecting this, but if people are seeking additional funding for their sector, it would be helpful if they say where in the Scottish budget it should come from. That is always the most difficult one.

The last person to make a point will be Gordon McGuinness. You were the first to kick off, Gordon, so you will have the final word.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Last but not least, I turn to Gordon McGuinness.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Okay. I am sure that others will touch on the numbers, but the financial memorandum’s estimate of 50 to 100 people by year 3, compared with 300 people in six months in Queensland seems like a big anomaly. I will move on from that.

The Scottish Partnership for Palliative Care has said that

“The Bill doesn’t even place a duty on NHS Boards to provide AD”

and goes on to say that

“The Financial Memorandum states that ‘only around 10% of people’ die in hospital which is factually incorrect—in 2023 46% of people died in a hospital.”