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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 1 August 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Oh—yes.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I am absolutely sure that they would, but, as has been mentioned, an inquiry might be used in some circumstances to get a minister out of a tight spot politically, rather than necessarily being in the long-term public good. It would be helpful if ministers could say, in a diplomatic way, that they want to consider something but that the criteria for having a public inquiry have not been met, because otherwise we could have inquiries into myriad different things, and where would we be then? We want to reach a sensible and optimal position that also defends the value of public inquiries as more than something that is just grasped at when people are concerned that the services that they thought would deliver for them have not done so.

Would either of you like to make any further points before I wind up this session?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

You do not get many public inquiry reports that are as short as that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Right. There is certainly a clamour for transparency in this age, because this is public money that we are talking about. I do not know whether you have seen the Official Report of last week’s meeting or whether you watched the meeting, but we uncovered one very stark issue. What causes the greatest concern is the opportunity costs, not the overall sum of money. For example, the police have talked about the huge impact on finances and staff resources. We can look at stress and all sorts of other issues if we wish, but those are the two main issues that the police have faced.

We might look at all of that and say that there should, perhaps, be a separate fund for public inquiries so that money is not taken out of the specific service that an inquiry relates to. However, if the inquiries that are going on under the current system progress, and if an inquiry that was expected to take one or two years takes five or 10—or even longer—there is surely a great need for transparency, given that the budgets seem to be open-ended. A number of individuals have pointed out that it is difficult to think of another area of public life, including in life-or-death areas such as the health service, where there are no budgetary or timescale parameters.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Indeed, but where is the justice in that? The child abuse inquiry has cost £96 million so far and has taken 11 years. Some of the people for whom the inquiry was directed at delivering justice will be long dead by the time that it reports. An inquiry might grow arms and legs and go on and on, but how does that deliver for the people for whom it is meant?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

You have said that the Scottish Parliament should perhaps dedicate half a day a year to discussing inquiries.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I appreciate that, but, if someone has been involved in an inquiry for a number of years, I would have thought that they would have an emotional commitment to making sure that the recommendations that they had made were implemented. I would have thought that they would want to apply some pressure to ensure that that was the case.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Mr Sturrock, you have suggested that a parliamentary committee could be established to look at delivery. I suppose that an existing committee could do that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Mr Sturrock, you have said that there should be

“a clear ‘business plan’ / budget to cover planned activities / project scoping carried out at the outset”.

Given the number of inquiries that there are in Scotland and the United Kingdom, one would have thought that that would happen, but it does not seem to have had any impact on the duration of inquiries to date. How can that be tightened up to provide clarity for all concerned?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Yes, I was impressed that your report on NHS Highland came in for less than £150,000, and it seems to have been successful.

In your responses to our call for views, you gave quite a substantive response on culture, talking about

“a likely consequence of a culture”

in which the people who want the inquiry want

“to look back to find fault or allocate blame ... rather than to look forward and to learn lessons about what worked ... and how things could be done differently or better in the future.”

In the past 24 hours, we have seen the news from south of the border about grooming and a specific inquiry. In Scotland, there is a clamour for another public inquiry to be held into reinforced autoclaved aerated concrete that makes it clear that they want a statutory, or judge-led, inquiry, which will take a considerable period of time, I imagine. Is there any way that we can turn the Titanic away from the iceberg and persuade the public, for example, or, indeed, ministers who instruct public inquiries that, although there will always be a role for public inquiries, there is a better or different way forward?