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Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 10 January 2023
Kenneth Gibson
Good morning and welcome to the first meeting in 2023 of the Finance and Public Administration Committee. I wish you all a happy new year.
We have a single item on our agenda, which involves taking evidence from two panels of witnesses on the 2023-24 Scottish budget. First, we will hear from the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body on its own budget bid; we will then take evidence from the Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Covid Recovery.
For the first panel of witnesses, Jackson Carlaw MSP, who is a member of the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body, is joined by Scottish Parliament officials. David McGill is clerk and chief executive of the Scottish Parliament; Michelle Hegarty is deputy chief executive; and Sara Glass is group head of financial governance. I welcome all of you to the meeting.
I understand that Mr Carlaw would like to make a short opening statement.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 10 January 2023
Kenneth Gibson
In other words, it is “steady as she goes”.
A total of £2.213 million is being spent on software and licences. What is the split between software support and licences?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 10 January 2023
Kenneth Gibson
I was hoping to find out how the costs for software and licences could be split up. It is like the question about the difference between contractors and permanent staff—I would like to see more directly where the money is going.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 10 January 2023
Kenneth Gibson
That would be great.
I have a question about another area—one that I do not think my colleagues will be queueing up to ask. It is about the issue of MSPs’ salaries. You mention an increase of 1.5 per cent. I will come back to that. The figure goes from £13.482 million to £13.499 million. I could not understand that, because a 1.5 per cent increase would have been £190,000, but the increase is only £17,000. Are there a couple of folk we do not know about who are going on extended unpaid leave? I am wondering how we got to those figures.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 10 January 2023
Kenneth Gibson
Indeed.
Okay, I have taken up more than enough time. I have more questions, but it is time to let other members in. Liz Smith will be first, followed by Daniel Johnson.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 10 January 2023
Kenneth Gibson
Thanks for confirming that we will get an updated financial memorandum—that is very good news.
I have a second question about that. You talked about £100 million extra going into national care service pay, which will be very welcome. For every £1 increase in hourly pay for care staff, what is the impact on the Scottish budget? For example, if the pay was to go up from £10.90 to £11.90, what would be the additional impact on the Scottish budget? That is significant, and I imagine that the issue is likely to come up over the next few weeks.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 10 January 2023
Kenneth Gibson
No. It is just about the impact on the Scottish budget of every additional £1 in hourly pay.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 10 January 2023
Kenneth Gibson
We will move on from that. You have raised really interesting points. I will certainly take them up with other people.
There is a 6.7 per cent increase in the general staffing budget. You have explained some of that, but the SPCB’s submission says:
“Staff pay including use of contractors is budgeted at £37.3m, a net increase of £2.3m … in cash terms”.
What is the breakdown between contractors and our own staff?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 10 January 2023
Kenneth Gibson
What developments do you expect from that to enhance public engagement? If you are employing three staff to enhance public engagement, what improvements in it do you envisage?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 10 January 2023
Kenneth Gibson
It is okay—that is a sound explanation. I should have thought of the national insurance issue, because you mention it in the document in relation to the overall budget. Thank you for explaining that.
I am going to ask about the annual survey of hours and earnings—the ASHE index. Given that the GDP deflator is 3.2 per cent, and consumer prices index inflation is 10 or 11 per cent, how do you arrive at that ASHE figure? I take it that it is about a year out of date. Is that right?