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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 8 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I did not think that you would do that, but I was hoping that you would—[Laughter.]

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

When we ask for a timescale, the Government will say that reform is on-going. I am someone who likes to have deadlines and to be able to meet deadlines. Should the Government set a deadline and, if so, what should the deadline be for specific areas of reform? We are not saying that we should have a deadline for reform and that, after that, everything in the garden will be rosy. We could look at what we had achieved up until 2026, for example, and then at what we were going to achieve in the next three years or whatever. Would that be helpful as opposed to this semi-permanent revolution?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

You said that it has taken a couple of years. Does that tell you that there is a lack of urgency in dealing with something that, as you said, could bring in an additional £30 million for the Scottish economy? Is that a concern?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

One of the things that the committee has expressed concern about in relation to reform concerns the issue that we started with, which is transparency. We have expressed concern about transparency in relation to capital budgets. We were hoping to see the capital pipeline about a year ago, but the Government has given various reasons why we have not been able to see it. They cover everything from the general election to budgets et cetera. One would have thought that, whether the capital budget is £5 billion, £6 billion or £7 billion, we would at least have a list of priority projects, whether they are new projects, maintenance projects or whatever else is included. Do you feel that the Government should do more to show the capital programme pipeline as part of the transparency that is required in any reform agenda?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Indeed. I think that the committee would agree with more or less all of that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I agree, except that we should sometimes look beyond the UK, because there are ideas across the world that we can learn from.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Last, and certainly not least, I will bring in Jane Morrison-Ross.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Indeed.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Craig, do you want to come in on that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I hope that it will work better and all.

I have a question that I would like our guests to think about; they do not have to answer it. An issue that is debated back and forth in the public domain is that of where the £60 billion-plus budget should be spent. I imagine that all the organisations that are represented here would like to receive an increase in the funding that is available to them. Garry McEwan has been very direct about that, no doubt because of the 25.5 per cent real-terms cut that his organisation has endured over the past decade.

If you would like your organisation to receive an increase in funding, could you say how much additional funding it would be appropriate for it to receive for the forthcoming financial year? In addition—this is the $64 million question, which you may or may not want to answer—if it is your position that your organisation needs extra money, please say where that money should come from. Have you identified where in the Scottish budget it should come from? Alternatively, should it come from additional taxation? I do not want everyone simply to say, “Aye, just give us more money.” That will not help us in any way, because we still have the same budget. If anyone has anything to say about where they think that money could be redirected from, I would be happy to hear from them. Do not all rush at once.

I see that Mary Morgan and Garry McEwan would like to respond—that is good.