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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 5 November 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Craig Hoy has a brief question.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you very much for that.

We will have a five-minute break before we move into private session, to allow our witnesses and broadcasting and official report staff to leave.

11:27 Meeting continued in private until 11:51.  

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

You will be aware that this committee has been carrying out an investigation into the cost-effectiveness of public inquiries, given their monumental costs and the many years that they seem to take. In the past week, we have seen demands for public inquiries into grooming and ferries from some Opposition politicians. No doubt, there will be plenty of others as we progress.

We will produce a report in the autumn, and there is an area that I want to ask you about. We have had compelling evidence that the current situation, whereby a specific budget can be severely impacted, is proving detrimental to services. The opportunity cost to the police or national health service of having a big chunk of its budget dedicated to an inquiry over a number of years means, quite frankly, that the people who would expect to benefit from those services are impacted, as the NHS and the police have made quite clear. Would you be sympathetic to the creation of a budget for public inquiries—regardless of what the inquiry is, how long it takes or what it costs—that is separate from the budgets of the organisations that are involved in the inquiries?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

You were strategy and external affairs director prior to taking up your current post, and you will know a lot of your colleagues and the Government well, which is obviously why you are now in the post. Are you able to determine which departments are doing best, which—if any—are performing sub-optimally and, if so, how those will be improved?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

You can call them directorates if you want.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I am sorry to interrupt, but you have got to look at what you want to achieve first, and surely you then have to say the optimal number of people who would be needed to achieve that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Good morning, and welcome to the 21st meeting in 2025 of the Finance and Public Administration Committee. The first item on our agenda is an evidence-taking session on the cost-effectiveness of Scottish public inquiries.

I welcome to the meeting John Sturrock KC and John Campbell KC. We have received apologies from Craig Hoy, who will be a few minutes late because of traffic.

I thank both witnesses for their short, sharp and helpful submissions to the committee’s call for views, and I will move straight to questions, kicking off with Mr Sturrock, methinks. In answer to the second question on the transparency of public inquiries in our call for views, you said that there is

“insufficient transparency and scrutiny in particular around control over timescales and costs.”

How can that be improved?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Oh—yes.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I am absolutely sure that they would, but, as has been mentioned, an inquiry might be used in some circumstances to get a minister out of a tight spot politically, rather than necessarily being in the long-term public good. It would be helpful if ministers could say, in a diplomatic way, that they want to consider something but that the criteria for having a public inquiry have not been met, because otherwise we could have inquiries into myriad different things, and where would we be then? We want to reach a sensible and optimal position that also defends the value of public inquiries as more than something that is just grasped at when people are concerned that the services that they thought would deliver for them have not done so.

Would either of you like to make any further points before I wind up this session?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

You do not get many public inquiry reports that are as short as that.