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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 7 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Every year, we raise with the finance secretary the fact that the same budgets have the same money taken out year in, year out. It seems to us to be the wrong way to set up the budgets, because we are not given an accurate picture of what the budget is. From everyone’s perspective, transparency is important.

Similarly, last year, I raised the issue of public-private partnership payments. Those were listed as being £133.9 million in 2024-25 for the trunk road network, which was much the same as the previous year. However, it is seen only in trace amounts across the budget document, despite a written answer from you last week showing that £14,699 million in PPP payments remain outstanding. As agreed last year, should appropriate figures not be shown across all portfolios, so that we can compare in the interests of transparency? Why is that information not in this year’s figures across each portfolio?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I am sorry, folks, but I will have to call a halt or we will be in breach of the standing orders. I apologise. All that I can do at this point is thank the cabinet secretary for her evidence. We will consider the evidence received and publish a report on the Scottish budget before the end of this month.

Meeting closed at 14:00.  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Looking at the office-holders, and ignoring the fact that there are others in the pipeline, we find that the Scottish Public Services Ombudsman has a 6.7 per cent increase in its budget, the Scottish Information Commissioner has a 6.3 per cent increase, the Scottish Human Rights Commission has a 6.9 per cent increase, the Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland has a 5.2 per cent increase, and even the Scottish Biometrics Commissioner has a 6 per cent increase. We are seeing significant above-inflation increases for those office-holders in the bid—why is that the case?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Some of the increase relates to salary, as you mentioned, but MSP staff salary provision will increase by 3.2 per cent, so it looks as though our own staff will receive a lower level of increase than the increase for any of the office-holder staff other than the Standards Commission for Scotland staff, for whom the figure is 2.8 per cent.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Okay. I suppose that I am happy with that.

Let us move on to parliamentary staff numbers. In your submission, you state that you

“remain committed ... throughout Session 6”

to the staff baseline agreed in 2022-23. You also talk about a couple of posts having been added in security in order to

“deliver a new service to monitor social media activity referencing MSPs”,

noting that those increases have

“largely been offset by other reductions across the permanent staff complement”,

meaning that there is no overall change in staff numbers.

Can you tell us what that social media referencing monitoring service is?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Yes, they might welcome increased scrutiny, and I am sure that the Parliament would as well, but the issue is who would do that. We have an increased number of commissioners. How close to capacity is the SPCB in carrying out scrutiny? The committees are saying, “Hold on—we’re at capacity.” I do not think that this committee could scrutinise all the commissioners, especially if more are coming down the pipeline. Where are we on that?

09:15  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Time is marching on and I have loads more questions. I will ask only a couple more, or possibly three, to enable my colleagues to come in.

At a time when universities are struggling due to a reduction in student numbers, the student support and tuition fee payment line is falling by 10.5 per cent. Is the tuition fee payment stuck at £1,820 per student for the 18th consecutive year? If so, how does that enable universities to be globally competitive?

In his submission to the committee, Professor Alastair Florence, director of continuous manufacturing and advanced crystallisation at the University of Strathclyde, pointed to analysis by UK Research and Innovation that shows that

“£63 is generated for the wider economy for every £1”

that is spent on research. Even if that number was out by a factor of 10, it would still represent a huge return on investment. Should we not direct a fairly modest resource, as needed, to ensure the long-term growth of facilities such as that at the University of Strathclyde—which, like all universities, seems to be under the cosh at the moment?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

You touched on the £265 million figure. Local government has said that there will be another £85 million oncost through procurement. I am not convinced that local authorities have the resilience that you mentioned—that is certainly not the message that I am hearing from them.

I will open up the session to colleagues round the table. Ross Greer will be first.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Will that lead to savings, ultimately, because people will not have to run around all the time?

09:30  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Okay. You will be glad to know that we have concluded questions from the committee. Thank you very much for answering them. I suspend the meeting for two minutes, and then we will move into private.

10:03 Meeting suspended.  

10:09 Meeting continued in private.  

10:12 Meeting suspended.  

12:08 Meeting continued in public.