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Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 25 January 2024
Kenneth Gibson
I have a few points to finish off. We have discussed the £3.9 billion, which I again make clear relates to what the bill previously included. Will you confirm that, under the revised financial memorandum, we are looking at a variance of between £631 million and £916 million over the 10-year period?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 25 January 2024
Kenneth Gibson
No—I am not asking about value. On this occasion I am asking about actual numbers. You are phasing the legislation in over 10 years, so you are looking at costs over 10 years. However, if you shift implementation forward three years, you are looking not at 13 years but at three dead years, effectively, plus seven years. You are making a comparison with 10 years under the old financial memorandum. A few million pounds is a lot of money, but when we consider what it would have been in that three years, plus the first seven years of implementation, we are not comparing like with like.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 25 January 2024
Kenneth Gibson
There will still be a significant saving then.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 25 January 2024
Kenneth Gibson
That is a considerable saving—that is interesting.
All colleagues will probably ask about co-design—it is a major part of the bill and is an issue of concern to the committee because of its implications, not least for the committee’s scrutiny function. Donna Bell gave detailed replies on that on Tuesday, when she talked about five themes: keeping care support local; information sharing; making sure that people’s voices are heard; realising rights and responsibilities; and valuing the workforce. You said that those themes are important and that
“the co-design work for the primary legislation has, in effect, been concluded and that we will move on to the development of further work on areas such as the charter, complaints and advocacy.”
You also said:
“we already have a good understanding of what is required for the secondary legislation.”—[Official Report, Finance and Public Administration Committee, 23 January 2024; c 10-11.]
If that is the situation, is there any possibility of including more on co-design in the bill at stage 2, or perhaps at stage 3, so that there is more of it in the primary legislation?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 25 January 2024
Kenneth Gibson
I want both.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 25 January 2024
Kenneth Gibson
Basically, the GDP deflator is about 1.7 per cent and you are using an inflation rate of 2 per cent. Is that right?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 25 January 2024
Kenneth Gibson
Thanks very much. I will now open the session to colleagues around the table. Liz Smith is first.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 25 January 2024
Kenneth Gibson
Those are the figures that I just gave—that is fine.
On Tuesday, Donna Bell said:
“you would expect us to build in a range of costs because of future potential uncertainty”.—[Official Report, Finance and Public Administration Committee, 23 January 2024; c 4.]
Where does the greatest uncertainty lie in the variables? Not all the figures vary by 45 per cent. What is being done to address the greatest variables?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 25 January 2024
Kenneth Gibson
We will always have those variabilities—
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 25 January 2024
Kenneth Gibson
—but will they be reduced by the time we get to the stage 1 debate, or will we still be looking at those figures?